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[Dashinka 24,512]

On 5/31/2021 at 2:15 AM, seekingthetruth said:

You have a lot of spin in there that indicates you probably did not watch the videos. 

 

Not sure where you got New York.  The videos were about SF and Seattle.  The graph is from the Seattle video and shows SF on top of Seattle for property crimes.  The Seattle video is long, but if you want a solution, skip to about 43:00 and they have a segment on Rhode Island, where they have programs that are working.

 

You are not seeing the real issues.  First of all, stop calling it a homeless problem.  It is a drug problem.  The vast majority of these people have drug problems and are flocking to the cities that welcome them with ridiculous leftist policies.  Do anything you want and you will not be arrested and/or prosecuted.  Free needles.  Pee and poop anywhere.  Shoot up in public.  Throw up your tent anywhere.  Throw your trash everywhere.  Of course conservatives complain when they see formerly beautiful cities being flushed down the drain due to leftist policies.  However, these places are controlled by the left.

 

First thing you have to do is enforce the laws and arrest these people.  Put them in a facility for treatment.  Watch the video.  In RI, druggies who were arrested and treated thank the police for saving their lives.

It is interesting that more people in SF died from a drug overdose than from Covid19 in 2020.

[yuna628 9,676]

On 5/31/2021 at 2:15 AM, seekingthetruth said:

 

 

You are not seeing the real issues.  First of all, stop calling it a homeless problem.  It is a drug problem.  The vast majority of these people have drug problems and are flocking to the cities that welcome them with ridiculous leftist policies.  Do anything you want and you will not be arrested and/or prosecuted.  Free needles.  Pee and poop anywhere.  Shoot up in public.  Throw up your tent anywhere.  Throw your trash everywhere.  Of course conservatives complain when they see formerly beautiful cities being flushed down the drain due to leftist policies.  However, these places are controlled by the left.

 

First thing you have to do is enforce the laws and arrest these people.  Put them in a facility for treatment.  Watch the video.  In RI, druggies who were arrested and treated thank the police for saving their lives.

Hey I get it. Homelessness is not pretty at all. Like I've said, my area has some of the highest homeless population on this coast, many are not even local to this state. You see them everywhere. Not all of them beg (a lot of those are fakers). But sure, some of it is drugs no doubt. We have that in this town everywhere, really bad. I mean yesterday I saw one of them staggering with no shoes out into the highway to try and join his buddy that was slumped over in the weeds. I've seen people OD'd everywhere. There's big tent encampments too and those that squat in abandoned homes. There are other problems too - mental health and lack of shelters. Some of these people are very ill. There's a pretty well known homeless guy around here that walks around in crazy costumes (if you could imagine a dude wearing a gimp suit, a bathrobe, clown shoes, and whatever else he steals along the way). People laugh and talk about him like he's an endearing feature. But the reality is he's a drug addicted, mentally ill man, that refuses to stay in treatment or shelters offered to him. It is not enough to arrest them. We arrest them all the time - the jail is overflowing. This is not a 'left' leaning town at all, and most of those with homeless problems in MD are not left leaning whatsoever. It's not an exclusive political issue - its complicated.

[seekingthetruth 1,246]

7 hours ago, yuna628 said:

But the reality is he's a drug addicted, mentally ill man, that refuses to stay in treatment or shelters offered to him. It is not enough to arrest them. We arrest them all the time - the jail is overflowing. This is not a 'left' leaning town at all, and most of those with homeless problems in MD are not left leaning whatsoever. It's not an exclusive political issue - its complicated.

That is why I posted the Seattle video.  It covers the Rhode Island programs that are working.  Arrest is the first step, treatment is the next, and then follow-up programs when they are released.

 

Drug addicted and/or mentally ill, you can't leave them be and let them do what they want.  Unfortunately, mental illness can lead to drug abuse, and drug abuse can lead to mental illness.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

On 6/1/2021 at 1:22 PM, yuna628 said:

This is not a 'left' leaning town at all, and most of those with homeless problems in MD are not left leaning whatsoever. It's not an exclusive political issue - its complicated.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/08/01/baltimore-only-one-of-many-democrat-run-city-hellholes-780580/

 

https://www.bestplaces.net/voting/city/maryland/baltimore

 

https://www.270towin.com/states/Maryland 

[yuna628 9,676]

18 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/08/01/baltimore-only-one-of-many-democrat-run-city-hellholes-780580/

 

https://www.bestplaces.net/voting/city/maryland/baltimore

 

https://www.270towin.com/states/Maryland 

I do not live in Baltimore nor was I talking about Baltimore in my post. Yes Baltimore does have a homeless problem, as many cities in the US have. It is not a political thing. Which is my point. The cities and towns in Maryland with the highest population of homeless (and also with the highest drug problems) are not Baltimore, they are hardcore red counties. This state is more than Baltimore, Baltimore County, or the outskirting counties surrounding DC. Drugs and homelessness is an everyone problem which is not a one-sided issue.

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

9 hours ago, yuna628 said:

I do not live in Baltimore nor was I talking about Baltimore in my post. Yes Baltimore does have a homeless problem, as many cities in the US have. It is not a political thing. Which is my point. The cities and towns in Maryland with the highest population of homeless (and also with the highest drug problems) are not Baltimore, they are hardcore red counties. This state is more than Baltimore, Baltimore County, or the outskirting counties surrounding DC. Drugs and homelessness is an everyone problem which is not a one-sided issue.

0.105% of MD's population is homeless (vs. CA which is 0.382% or FL which is 0.129%).  Ranks 20/50 (top 40%) among all states in that regard.

 

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Over the last eight years, the total number of homeless individuals counted during the Maryland annual point-in-time count has declined 35% from 10,148 in 2011 to 6,561 in 2019, and decreased 9.4% from 2017, the last year when a total sheltered and unsheltered count was taken.

Looks like the problem in MD is getting better, at least marginally.

 

35% of the homeless in MD are in Baltimore City, 11% in Baltimore County, and 10% in Montgomery County.  All blue.  Add in Prince George's County 6.8%, Anne Arundel County 4.6%, Frederick County @ 4.4%,  and you have 71.8% of the state's homeless coming from blue areas.

 

I do not disagree that drugs and homelessness affects all of us, but why is it so prevalent in democrat-run areas?

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10 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

drugs and homelessness affects all of us, but why is it so prevalent in democrat-run areas?

It fits with the precept that individual responsibility and accountability (connected with Trumpism) are inferior to governmental support or the promise thereof.

[seekingthetruth 1,246]

11 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Drugs and homelessness is an everyone problem which is not a one-sided issue.

Yes, of course, but the original topic is about liberal policies that attract homeless drug addicts to a city,.  Cynthia Nixon thinks that that anyone should be able to walk into her local CVS, get what they want, and walk out without paying.  Of course, that will attract undesirable people of all kinds to that area.  Drug addicts and criminals being the worst.

 

That type of attitude is what is destroying San Francisco and other West coast cities mentioned.  Why have any laws if you are not going to enforce them?  These cities will probably have to hit rock bottom before the people have had enough, and get rid of the politicians who are ruining these cities.  Such as Chesa Boudin.

 

Those policies are doing nothing to help those people get back onto their feet and lead a more normal life.  The policies only encourage them to stay the same and die living a miserable existence.  Rhode Island has programs that are working.  Enforce the laws.  Lock these people up, get them the help they need, and save their lives.

[Dashinka 24,512]

3 hours ago, seekingthetruth said:

Yes, of course, but the original topic is about liberal policies that attract homeless drug addicts to a city,.  Cynthia Nixon thinks that that anyone should be able to walk into her local CVS, get what they want, and walk out without paying.  Of course, that will attract undesirable people of all kinds to that area.  Drug addicts and criminals being the worst.

 

That type of attitude is what is destroying San Francisco and other West coast cities mentioned.  Why have any laws if you are not going to enforce them?  These cities will probably have to hit rock bottom before the people have had enough, and get rid of the politicians who are ruining these cities.  Such as Chesa Boudin.

 

Those policies are doing nothing to help those people get back onto their feet and lead a more normal life.  The policies only encourage them to stay the same and die living a miserable existence.  Rhode Island has programs that are working.  Enforce the laws.  Lock these people up, get them the help they need, and save their lives.

One of the big issues is that all homeless people tend to be grouped together when like most all demographics, there are vast differences in the population.  Some people are homeless by choice (I know that seems a poor choice, but it is what it is), and they tend to migrate to the areas where they can get the most benefits and freedoms.  Often times, these are the groups that abuse drugs, and don't want the help relative to places to stay, or rehabilitation.  Then there are those that are homeless due to circumstances.  These people tend to be the ones that look for the shelters, and are looking for help.  I know it is not simply this black and white, and of course there are migrations between these two populations, but treating all homeless as the same will not work either.

[yuna628 9,676]

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

One of the big issues is that all homeless people tend to be grouped together when like most all demographics, there are vast differences in the population.  Some people are homeless by choice (I know that seems a poor choice, but it is what it is), and they tend to migrate to the areas where they can get the most benefits and freedoms.  Often times, these are the groups that abuse drugs, and don't want the help relative to places to stay, or rehabilitation.  Then there are those that are homeless due to circumstances.  These people tend to be the ones that look for the shelters, and are looking for help.  I know it is not simply this black and white, and of course there are migrations between these two populations, but treating all homeless as the same will not work either.

I know the homeless in my town all have very different reasons for being here. But I honestly can't see what benefits or freedoms they receive by being homeless here. Even in Baltimore City, where it is very common to see a homeless person with a cup outstretched as you walk to the stadium, or supposed 'veterans' that beg near the hospitals, or the ones laying in the drains drugged out... there's just not much that they receive help for. Shelters are maxed out. If you are a person that genuinely wants help you might get it, but most of these from my experience do not want help.

 

Like I said this county has a high homeless population and it's heavy red. There are no policies in place to give homeless a 'free ride' (I'm not even sure what some think the homeless get). There is literally a full jail next to a homeless encampment (there are about 20 or so camps just in that radius), next to a drug haven area, next to 'motels' filled with day-to-day homeless, next to a treatment center. Go down the street and you'll see about five other treatment clinics.  They deal right outside of the clinics and the jail. The drug situation here is getting so bad, it is miles beyond how it used to be when I first moved here many years ago. They jail them, they get out, they get right back into the life of drugs. It's not just illegal drugs, but prescription drugs are traded and stolen regularly.