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Well boys and girls, I’m back. After being married for 3.5 years my partner has been doing the dirty and we’re going through a separation. 
 

Sometime next week we should be able to file the paperwork and get the process moving forward for a no fault, nothing contested divorce.

 

I just wonder where this puts me with immigration? The I-751 was filed back in January jointly.

 

Main points:

1. Should I write to uscis advising them we are getting a divorce? - new I-751?

2. If I write to them I will get an rfe, what if the divorce is not finalized.

3.If I don’t have a final divorce decree for interview will I be put in removal proceedings or will I be living on extensions until the divorce is finalized?

4. My case is at NBC, so will likely get an interview. I take it if I can’t get them to play nice it will go against me if they don’t come with me to interview?

 

 

Thank you all in advance. Wonderful people. 

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You can change from a joint petition to a divorce waiver at the interview. You might have the divorce decree by then. 

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13 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

You might have the divorce decree by then. 

Meh, it’s taking ages to get divorces finalized because of covid.

 

Should I write to them? I know you can have problems with citizenship down the road if your go is issued without them being aware of the divorce (Incase I don’t go for interview)

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1 minute ago, thatguyuknow said:

Meh, it’s taking ages to get divorces finalized because of covid.

 

Should I write to them? I know you can have problems with citizenship down the road if your go is issued without them being aware of the divorce (Incase I don’t go for interview)

You could write to them now......but they might issue an RFE NOW.  That would give you only a limited time to submit the divorce decree.  Waiting until your interview will give you more time.  Just an idea.

"The US immigration process requires a great deal of knowledge, planning, time, patience, and a significant amount of money.  It is quite a journey!"

- Some old child of the 50's & 60's on his laptop 

 

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Registered Nurse- Retired- I practiced in the areas of Labor & Delivery, Home Health, Adolescent Psych, & Adult Psych.

IT Professional- Retired- Web Site Design, Hardware Maintenance, Compound Pharmacy Software Trainer, On-site go live support, Database Manager, App Designer.

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In summary, it took 13 months for approval of the CR-1.  It took 44 months for approval of the I-751.  It took 4 months for approval of the N-400.   It took 172 days from N-400 application to Oath Ceremony.   It took 6 weeks for Passport, then 7 additional weeks for return of wife's Naturalization Certificate.. 
 

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Just now, Lucky Cat said:

You could write to them now......but they might issue an RFE NOW.  That would give you only a limited time to submit the divorce decree.  Waiting until your interview will give you more time.  Just an idea.

Cool, done. I won’t bother writing then. Or maybe if hopefully I get it by the end of the year I’ll write, 

Thank you. 

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Just now, thatguyuknow said:

Cool, done. I won’t bother writing then. Or maybe if hopefully I get it by the end of the year I’ll write, 

Thank you. 

I'm not an expert in the area of divorce waivers.  Hopefully, more experienced members can chime in.  Personally, my wife's case is at MSC.  We filed her I-751 in March 2019.  We are still waiting for an interview....😒.  Since she entered via a CR-1, we WILL get an interview.

"The US immigration process requires a great deal of knowledge, planning, time, patience, and a significant amount of money.  It is quite a journey!"

- Some old child of the 50's & 60's on his laptop 

 

Senior Master Sergeant, US Air Force- Retired (after 20+ years)- Missile Systems Maintenance & Titan 2 ICBM Launch Crew Duty (200+ Alert tours)

Registered Nurse- Retired- I practiced in the areas of Labor & Delivery, Home Health, Adolescent Psych, & Adult Psych.

IT Professional- Retired- Web Site Design, Hardware Maintenance, Compound Pharmacy Software Trainer, On-site go live support, Database Manager, App Designer.

______________________________________

In summary, it took 13 months for approval of the CR-1.  It took 44 months for approval of the I-751.  It took 4 months for approval of the N-400.   It took 172 days from N-400 application to Oath Ceremony.   It took 6 weeks for Passport, then 7 additional weeks for return of wife's Naturalization Certificate.. 
 

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3 hours ago, thatguyuknow said:

Well boys and girls, I’m back. After being married for 3.5 years my partner has been doing the dirty and we’re going through a separation. 
 

Sometime next week we should be able to file the paperwork and get the process moving forward for a no fault, nothing contested divorce.

 

I just wonder where this puts me with immigration? The I-751 was filed back in January jointly.

 

Main points:

1. Should I write to uscis advising them we are getting a divorce? - new I-751?  Wait until your either get a finalized divorce decree, or you can change it at the interview if you get called in for interview before the divorce is final.

2. If I write to them I will get an rfe, what if the divorce is not finalized. Yes you will definitely get an RFE, not having the finalized decree in before the RFE due date puts you in a mess.

3.If I don’t have a final divorce decree for interview will I be put in removal proceedings or will I be living on extensions until the divorce is finalized? No, as long as you notify IO before the start of your interview of your intention to switch from a joint filing to a divorce waiver. He will issue you and RFE or simply reschedule your interview till when you get the finalized divorce.

4. My case is at NBC, so will likely get an interview. I take it if I can’t get them to play nice it will go against me if they don’t come with me to interview? I believe you mean your ex-spouse here? Since you will be changing to a divorce waiver, you do not need your ex for the interview.

 

 

Thank you all in advance. Wonderful people. 

 

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2 minutes ago, sweetadams said:

 

I agree.  It seems to me that waiting until the interviews to declare a change to a divorce waiver gives @thatguyuknow more flexibility.....

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"The US immigration process requires a great deal of knowledge, planning, time, patience, and a significant amount of money.  It is quite a journey!"

- Some old child of the 50's & 60's on his laptop 

 

Senior Master Sergeant, US Air Force- Retired (after 20+ years)- Missile Systems Maintenance & Titan 2 ICBM Launch Crew Duty (200+ Alert tours)

Registered Nurse- Retired- I practiced in the areas of Labor & Delivery, Home Health, Adolescent Psych, & Adult Psych.

IT Professional- Retired- Web Site Design, Hardware Maintenance, Compound Pharmacy Software Trainer, On-site go live support, Database Manager, App Designer.

______________________________________

In summary, it took 13 months for approval of the CR-1.  It took 44 months for approval of the I-751.  It took 4 months for approval of the N-400.   It took 172 days from N-400 application to Oath Ceremony.   It took 6 weeks for Passport, then 7 additional weeks for return of wife's Naturalization Certificate.. 
 

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On 5/24/2021 at 9:57 AM, thatguyuknow said:

Should I write to uscis advising them we are getting a divorce? 

Yes, no, maybe.

In the eyes of USCIS there is married or divorced - no separated so until you notify them, it is still a joint filing. 

 

 

The timing here is tricky because you have already filed. 

The problem is that if you tell them now, they may RFE you for the final decree immediately, or it may take time. 

If they do so immediately and, say divorce take a year in your state, then you have problems as you can't provide it in time. 

 

There is no guarantee you will get an interview as your current filing is joint, and consequently you may also get approved before notifying them, which has its own set of potential problems further down the line as you correctly note. 

 

You are best off waiting until after filing for divorce and before the divorce is final, but when you know it will be final in a few months, and writing to them then to notify them then. That way if an RFE comes quickly you can provide it. 

 

 

On 5/24/2021 at 9:57 AM, thatguyuknow said:

new I-751?

 

 

No. Accepted policy is to switch from a joint to solo filing in the event of divorce. No refiling or fee required.

 

On 5/24/2021 at 9:57 AM, thatguyuknow said:

If I don’t have a final divorce decree for interview will I be put in removal proceedings or will I be living on extensions until the divorce is finalized?

If at interview you requested a switch, they would RFE you. Standard response time for an RFE is 90 days but can be less. 

If you cant provide it when RFE'd, then yes, you would get a denial.

You could then go to court and provide the decree to the judge, or you could refile. 

This is why the timing is tricky for you...but that is a whole different scenario of what ifs or maybes, that you are a long way from, so don't stress about it for now. 

 

 

On 5/24/2021 at 9:57 AM, thatguyuknow said:

I take it if I can’t get them to play nice it will go against me if they don’t come with me to interview?

Divorce is not a reason for denial. A bitter spouse talking (removed) may well lead to one (take me as a perfect example that this can happen).

Unlike a joint filing where the spouse MUST attend, your former spouse does not have to attend any interview if you have switched or are switching to a divorce waiver. You are welcome to bring them along if they will support your case and aren't malicious, but it is not a requirement at all. 

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CR1 / DCF (London): 2012 / 2013 (4 months from I-130 petition to visa in hand)

I-751 #1- April 2015 [Denied]

 

April 2015 : I-751 Joint filing package sent fedex next day 09:00am from UK ($lots - thanks). 
Jan 2017: Notification that an interview has been scheduled at a local office. Bizarrely still no RFE... 
Jan 2017: 2hr wait, then interview terminated before it began, due to moving my ID to another state 2 wks prior. New interview 'in a few months...maybe.'   Informed them that divorce proceedings are underway, but not finalised at this time. 
March 2017: An Interview was scheduled - marked as no-show as they didn't actually send out a notification of interview. FML 
April  2017: Filed an official complaint with the ombudsman, and have requested Senator & Congressman assistance
August 2017: Interview - switched to a (finalised) divorce waiver. Told that decision will be made that afternoon, but no problems foreseen with my case. 
October 2017: Letter of Denial received - reason given as 'I-751 petition was not properly filed'. Discovered ex-spouse made false allegations to USCIS in 2015. No opportunity given to review & refute allegations  - contrary to USCIS policy.

I-751 #2 - Oct 2017 - Mar 2021[Denied] 

 

October 2017: Within 72hrs of receiving denial notice, a new waiver I-751, divorce decree & $680 cheque, sent to Vermont via FedEx overnight 9am priority.  
Dec 2019: Filed FOIA request for full A# file
Feb 2020: FOIA request completed - entire A# file received as a .PDF; 197 pages fully redacted, and 80 partially redacted. Don't waste your time!
March 2021: I-751 #2 denied for lack of evidence. No RFE, no interview, and evidence in previous I-751 not reviewed - contrary to policy. Huge errors in adjudication.

N-400 - Feb 2018 - Apr 2021 [Denied]

 

February 2018: N-400 filed online.  $725 paid to the USCIS paperwork wastage fund

February  2019: Interview - cancelled after a four hour wait due to 'missing paperwork' on their end. Promised Expedited reschedule.

March 2021: Interview letter received, strangely dated after I-751 denial. No I-751 interview conducted. N-400 interview and test passed, given 'cannot make a decision at this time' paper due to the ongoing I-751 nightmare...

April 2021: N-400 denial received citing recent I-751 denial as basis for ineligibility, even though it should have been a combo interview 🤯

I AM JACK'S COMPLETE LACK OF SURPRISE

Service Motion - March 2021 [Sent via FedEx & COMPLETELY IGNORED by USCIS]

 

March 2021: Service Motion request sent overnight addressed direectly to field office director, requesting urgent review and re-opening, based on errors in adjudication - citing USCIS policy, AFM and memorandums as basis for errors. This was completely ignored by USCIS.

 I-751 #3 - June 2021 - Jan 2024 [Denied]

 

IT'S GROUNDHOG DAY

June 2021: I-751 #3 (30+lbs/5000 pages of paperwork) & another $680 sent to USCIS via FedEx ($300+..thanks) .... 

June 2021: Receipt issued, card charged, biometrics waived, infopass scheduled for I-551 stamp number ten.....

Feb 2022: RFIE (no, not an RFE, a Request For Initial Evidence) received, for copies of the divorce paperwork that they already have 😑

July 2022: Infopass for I-551 stamp number eleven.....

August 2023: Infopass for I-551 stamp number twelve....

January 2024: Denial received, ignoring the overwhelming majority of the filing, abundance of evidence, and refutation of a provably false allegation. The denial also contradicts itself in multiple places, as if it was written by someone with an IQ <50.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

 

2024: FML. Seriously. I'm done. 

 

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20 hours ago, mindthegap said:

Yes, no, maybe.

 

Great! Fantastic from everyone. Thank you!!!

 

18 hours ago, mdma11 said:

Sorry to hear. 

Meh, it is what it is. Some people are just evil. Worst part was it wasn't just one person but 3 randoms, also one was married with 2 kids, so there is that. 

 

Honestly this forum is incredible. I honestly can't thank you guys enough. 

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1 hour ago, thatguyuknow said:

Great! Fantastic from everyone. Thank you!!!

 

Meh, it is what it is. Some people are just evil. Worst part was it wasn't just one person but 3 randoms, also one was married with 2 kids, so there is that. 

 

Honestly this forum is incredible. I honestly can't thank you guys enough. 

Wow. Always look on the bright side. All you can do really. Enjoy the free agency and all that dead weight off your shoulders! 

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On 5/24/2021 at 8:44 AM, Lucky Cat said:

I'm not an expert in the area of divorce waivers.  Hopefully, more experienced members can chime in.  Personally, my wife's case is at MSC.  We filed her I-751 in March 2019.  We are still waiting for an interview....😒.  Since she entered via a CR-1, we WILL get an interview.

did u apply for citizenship and what is your state and field office?

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