Georgia approves bible as textbook

[Mand 1]

Cheers m'dear yumma!!

[canadalaura 0]

Is this like the movie "Miracle on 34th Street" where the lawyer has to prove the existence of Santa Claus...and is successful?

HAHA!!! Best thing I've read all day. Thanks!

[simone24 0]

Hmmmmm Gee where can I start... this is a little much to debate over VJ.

But lets start here..... How is it that before Columbus proved a spherical earth it was already in the bible written centuried before JOB 26:10.. ISAIAH 40:22, Proverbs 8:27

Back when man thought earth rest on the back of a turtle ..the bible knew depsite that JOB 26:7..the earth stands on nothing..it is suspended. A few years ago when Science discovered there is water above the earth... DUH..the bible already stated that in Gen 1. Gee is science late

Hmm how about the science of wind.. read Eccles 1:6 and the fact that the weight of wind is made by water ..look at Job 25:25.. How about when science thought they had an accurate account of the stars and not until the 1940's when the Hubble was invented did they were imeasurable. Hipparchus said there were only 1,022 stars. Ptolemy said there were 1,026. They are immeasurable..well no duh.. the bible says that already in Hebrews 11:12. Genesis 15:5 and Jerimiah 33:22.

The point is not for little me to prove the existence of my God, but can you prove he doesnt exist. There is a million times more evidence that shows his existence then your weak points that says he does not.. The thing with Christianity is just this...look at it yourself... decide for yourself. if you decide there is no God..gee I really hope your right..if not welll...there could be some problems. Me I choose the safe side

Before I read the rest of the thread I just wanted to remind everyone that we aren't debating if "God" is real or not. Or if Tenika's theory on the Bible is correct or not.

The issue is should religion be taught in PUBLIC SCHOOLS. Should the Bible be taught in PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

I have a question for every christian that want the Bible to be taught in Public Schools. Would you be opposed to having the Torah, Koran or any doctrine from any other religions being taught to your children in PUBLIC schools.

[honeyblonde 0]

Why make this personal.. You choose Hell go ahead..What does that matter to me. Dont assume I am bothered, quite frankly I am not, you make your choice I have made mine. so now where was I ..

Oh yeah, if you take off the anger a little bit and scroll back you would see my original post is in response to someone who believe the bible is fiction. Therefore I am responding to that.. Do you really expect me to prove God exist in the VJ room...

We were talking about bible accuracy..and I had mentioned somethings that shows of how accurate the bible is before man even figured it out.. What is this Egyptinan person name so I can reseach him myself, and even if he did say the earth is round so what, when was that was it before the bible was written..i dont think so..and even if it was I am going with popular thinking for the times. I have much more evidence like those above, I would give a few more if you are interest in a polite intellectual debate, and not an insult fest. But in no way will I attempt to prove the historical never ceaseing debate on God's existance on VJ

Sorry, cannot give you the Egyptian scholar I mentioned. But there is evidence on TOMBS (in heiroglyphics) of Egyptian knowledge of the distance from the sun (some of these may predate Joseph--as in the patriarch, not the Saviour's earthly father). Cannot say that it was written before the Book of Job (which many scholars consider as the oldest book), but CAN say that it was before the Saviour's earthly sojourn (as the original Egyptians were long-defunct by then).

But the fact that there were copies of the (Old Testament) Bible books (specifically the Pentateuch) even in 7th century BC proves beyond a doubt that it could NOT have been written by 2nd century AD Romans (who, as I stated, would not want to have had it published).

It wasn't an Egyptian scholar but a Greek living in Egypt in about 250 BC - Eratosthenes. There is also evidence in almost every civilization we've found that they were aware that the earth was round and that it rotated around the sun. Stonehenge was based on the solstices, which are based on the revolution of the earth around the sun. Other less famous structures were found all over the Americas that indicated that the native indians from the southern part of South America to Canada were aware of these facts.

You can also find out that many of these truths that you think originated in the Bible are in other literature of the same time frame. Try expanding your reading choices and you'll see.

[faith 0]

Why make this personal.. You choose Hell go ahead..What does that matter to me. Dont assume I am bothered, quite frankly I am not, you make your choice I have made mine. so now where was I ..

Oh yeah, if you take off the anger a little bit and scroll back you would see my original post is in response to someone who believe the bible is fiction. Therefore I am responding to that.. Do you really expect me to prove God exist in the VJ room...

We were talking about bible accuracy..and I had mentioned somethings that shows of how accurate the bible is before man even figured it out.. What is this Egyptinan person name so I can reseach him myself, and even if he did say the earth is round so what, when was that was it before the bible was written..i dont think so..and even if it was I am going with popular thinking for the times. I have much more evidence like those above, I would give a few more if you are interest in a polite intellectual debate, and not an insult fest. But in no way will I attempt to prove the historical never ceaseing debate on God's existance on VJ

Sorry, cannot give you the Egyptian scholar I mentioned. But there is evidence on TOMBS (in heiroglyphics) of Egyptian knowledge of the distance from the sun (some of these may predate Joseph--as in the patriarch, not the Saviour's earthly father). Cannot say that it was written before the Book of Job (which many scholars consider as the oldest book), but CAN say that it was before the Saviour's earthly sojourn (as the original Egyptians were long-defunct by then).

But the fact that there were copies of the (Old Testament) Bible books (specifically the Pentateuch) even in 7th century BC proves beyond a doubt that it could NOT have been written by 2nd century AD Romans (who, as I stated, would not want to have had it published).

It wasn't an Egyptian scholar but a Greek living in Egypt in about 250 BC - Eratosthenes. There is also evidence in almost every civilization we've found that they were aware that the earth was round and that it rotated around the sun. Stonehenge was based on the solstices, which are based on the revolution of the earth around the sun. Other less famous structures were found all over the Americas that indicated that the native indians from the southern part of South America to Canada were aware of these facts.

You can also find out that many of these truths that you think originated in the Bible are in other literature of the same time frame. Try expanding your reading choices and you'll see.

One of such places is Cahokia Mounds, which is located in southern illinois. They have a mini stonehenge and many of the facts given during one of their tours shows that they knew about the earth rotation and all that.

[almaty 19]

Why make this personal.. You choose Hell go ahead..What does that matter to me. Dont assume I am bothered, quite frankly I am not, you make your choice I have made mine. so now where was I ..

Oh yeah, if you take off the anger a little bit and scroll back you would see my original post is in response to someone who believe the bible is fiction. Therefore I am responding to that.. Do you really expect me to prove God exist in the VJ room...

We were talking about bible accuracy..and I had mentioned somethings that shows of how accurate the bible is before man even figured it out.. What is this Egyptinan person name so I can reseach him myself, and even if he did say the earth is round so what, when was that was it before the bible was written..i dont think so..and even if it was I am going with popular thinking for the times. I have much more evidence like those above, I would give a few more if you are interest in a polite intellectual debate, and not an insult fest. But in no way will I attempt to prove the historical never ceaseing debate on God's existance on VJ

Sorry, cannot give you the Egyptian scholar I mentioned. But there is evidence on TOMBS (in heiroglyphics) of Egyptian knowledge of the distance from the sun (some of these may predate Joseph--as in the patriarch, not the Saviour's earthly father). Cannot say that it was written before the Book of Job (which many scholars consider as the oldest book), but CAN say that it was before the Saviour's earthly sojourn (as the original Egyptians were long-defunct by then).

But the fact that there were copies of the (Old Testament) Bible books (specifically the Pentateuch) even in 7th century BC proves beyond a doubt that it could NOT have been written by 2nd century AD Romans (who, as I stated, would not want to have had it published).

It wasn't an Egyptian scholar but a Greek living in Egypt in about 250 BC - Eratosthenes. There is also evidence in almost every civilization we've found that they were aware that the earth was round and that it rotated around the sun. Stonehenge was based on the solstices, which are based on the revolution of the earth around the sun. Other less famous structures were found all over the Americas that indicated that the native indians from the southern part of South America to Canada were aware of these facts.

You can also find out that many of these truths that you think originated in the Bible are in other literature of the same time frame. Try expanding your reading choices and you'll see.

One of such places is Cahokia Mounds, which is located in southern illinois. They have a mini stonehenge and many of the facts given during one of their tours shows that they knew about the earth rotation and all that.

..i been there many times..so did the mayans..

[faith 0]

Why make this personal.. You choose Hell go ahead..What does that matter to me. Dont assume I am bothered, quite frankly I am not, you make your choice I have made mine. so now where was I ..

Oh yeah, if you take off the anger a little bit and scroll back you would see my original post is in response to someone who believe the bible is fiction. Therefore I am responding to that.. Do you really expect me to prove God exist in the VJ room...

We were talking about bible accuracy..and I had mentioned somethings that shows of how accurate the bible is before man even figured it out.. What is this Egyptinan person name so I can reseach him myself, and even if he did say the earth is round so what, when was that was it before the bible was written..i dont think so..and even if it was I am going with popular thinking for the times. I have much more evidence like those above, I would give a few more if you are interest in a polite intellectual debate, and not an insult fest. But in no way will I attempt to prove the historical never ceaseing debate on God's existance on VJ

Sorry, cannot give you the Egyptian scholar I mentioned. But there is evidence on TOMBS (in heiroglyphics) of Egyptian knowledge of the distance from the sun (some of these may predate Joseph--as in the patriarch, not the Saviour's earthly father). Cannot say that it was written before the Book of Job (which many scholars consider as the oldest book), but CAN say that it was before the Saviour's earthly sojourn (as the original Egyptians were long-defunct by then).

But the fact that there were copies of the (Old Testament) Bible books (specifically the Pentateuch) even in 7th century BC proves beyond a doubt that it could NOT have been written by 2nd century AD Romans (who, as I stated, would not want to have had it published).

It wasn't an Egyptian scholar but a Greek living in Egypt in about 250 BC - Eratosthenes. There is also evidence in almost every civilization we've found that they were aware that the earth was round and that it rotated around the sun. Stonehenge was based on the solstices, which are based on the revolution of the earth around the sun. Other less famous structures were found all over the Americas that indicated that the native indians from the southern part of South America to Canada were aware of these facts.

You can also find out that many of these truths that you think originated in the Bible are in other literature of the same time frame. Try expanding your reading choices and you'll see.

One of such places is Cahokia Mounds, which is located in southern illinois. They have a mini stonehenge and many of the facts given during one of their tours shows that they knew about the earth rotation and all that.

..i been there many times..so did the mayans..

me too. been there many times as well. I took J's mom and dad (they live in greenland) there last summer, they really enjoyed seeing that America has something that's old

[almaty 19]

Why make this personal.. You choose Hell go ahead..What does that matter to me. Dont assume I am bothered, quite frankly I am not, you make your choice I have made mine. so now where was I ..

Oh yeah, if you take off the anger a little bit and scroll back you would see my original post is in response to someone who believe the bible is fiction. Therefore I am responding to that.. Do you really expect me to prove God exist in the VJ room...

We were talking about bible accuracy..and I had mentioned somethings that shows of how accurate the bible is before man even figured it out.. What is this Egyptinan person name so I can reseach him myself, and even if he did say the earth is round so what, when was that was it before the bible was written..i dont think so..and even if it was I am going with popular thinking for the times. I have much more evidence like those above, I would give a few more if you are interest in a polite intellectual debate, and not an insult fest. But in no way will I attempt to prove the historical never ceaseing debate on God's existance on VJ

Sorry, cannot give you the Egyptian scholar I mentioned. But there is evidence on TOMBS (in heiroglyphics) of Egyptian knowledge of the distance from the sun (some of these may predate Joseph--as in the patriarch, not the Saviour's earthly father). Cannot say that it was written before the Book of Job (which many scholars consider as the oldest book), but CAN say that it was before the Saviour's earthly sojourn (as the original Egyptians were long-defunct by then).

But the fact that there were copies of the (Old Testament) Bible books (specifically the Pentateuch) even in 7th century BC proves beyond a doubt that it could NOT have been written by 2nd century AD Romans (who, as I stated, would not want to have had it published).

It wasn't an Egyptian scholar but a Greek living in Egypt in about 250 BC - Eratosthenes. There is also evidence in almost every civilization we've found that they were aware that the earth was round and that it rotated around the sun. Stonehenge was based on the solstices, which are based on the revolution of the earth around the sun. Other less famous structures were found all over the Americas that indicated that the native indians from the southern part of South America to Canada were aware of these facts.

You can also find out that many of these truths that you think originated in the Bible are in other literature of the same time frame. Try expanding your reading choices and you'll see.

One of such places is Cahokia Mounds, which is located in southern illinois. They have a mini stonehenge and many of the facts given during one of their tours shows that they knew about the earth rotation and all that.

..i been there many times..so did the mayans..

me too. been there many times as well. I took J's mom and dad (they live in greenland) there last summer, they really enjoyed seeing that America has something that's old

i agree..it is sad..i am not orginally from around here..been here 12 years and folks from alton and the surronding area i know..have never been..####### up with that..a great historical site ignored...

[honeyblonde 0]

Sorry, I was editing my post and a bunch of you posted so it didn't let me finish. Here's the rest of what I wanted to say.

Also try reading about Gallileo. He tried to say the Earth rotated around the sun and was denounced as a heretic and brought before an inquisition for it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...i&printable=yes

Some other interesting reading about religion's contribution's to the bloody history of this planet can be found by searching on Calvin in Geneva Switzerland and Zwingli in Zurich Switzerland. Of course everybody has probably also heard of "Bloody Mary" queen of England, and Henry VIII in the same country.

There was a very good reason why our founding fathers chose to maintain a separation of church and state. Many of them came from countries where they didn't have the choice to worship as they pleased. The constitution doesn't ban religion, it merely separates it from government. This is to allow everyone the freedom to make their own decisions about it, not be tortured for what they believe or be forced to listen to other's beliefs if they don't want to.

[roscove 0]

Lots of history books have inaccurate statements. However, most are checked and corrected based on major evidence and opinion.

If you want to use the Bible as a history text then someone needs to proof read it as a history text and identify in the class parts that people can easily disprove. Some examples are

1. The universe was made in six days.

2. People had the ability to turn water into wine

3. People had the ability to raise the dead.

There are a lot more items in the bible that as a history text are very questionable. Just like some "historians" claim that the Holocaust did not happen (I do not agree with them), this idea is not thought in a history class as there is so much evidence to the contrary. Within the Bible, there is a huge amount of items that are easily counter-argued. Only teach the parts that can be proved or the parts that give historic context (Roman's occupation of the Holy Land etc) and then you have a history book.

As for aliens. As an engineer and knowing that the universe is infinite in size the idea there is nobody else out there is just wrong. Mathematically speaking there has to be life on another planet and this leads me to believe in alien life. What I do not believe is that they come here and pick up some redneck and stick a probe up his ###.

[Mirorgate 0]

Baleeted! Decided against sarcasm today. Please carry on as per usual.

Edited March 31, 2006 by Mirorgate

[pedroh 21]

I have a question for every christian that want the Bible to be taught in Public Schools. Would you be opposed to having the Torah, Koran or any doctrine from any other religions being taught to your children in PUBLIC schools.

PWNED..

that's the whole thing.. so if there's an historical class about the Bible.. would the bible belt georgians would allow an historical class about Koran or Talmud?

[honeyblonde 0]

that's the whole thing.. so if there's an historical class about the Bible.. would the bible belt georgians would allow an historical class about Koran or Talmud?

You're assuming they would know what they were and could spell them!

Can you tell I'm a transplanted Yankee?

Edited March 31, 2006 by honeyblonde

[Jasman0717 9]

[Reba 2]

jasman seems to be suffering laringitis

The thing about using the Bible (NT) as an historical document is that the *original* texts are long gone, and the surviving texts are so far after the fact copies, that there really is no way of knowing if they even slightly resemble what the original authors wrote. And, there is NO extant written evidence that the Gospels were actually written by guys named Matthew Mark Luke and John. For all we know, they could have been written by Margorie, Mary, Laura and Josephine under pseudonyms.

Seriously, all of these texts were Hand Copied. There were no printing presses, and sometimes the copiests didn't even know what they were writing, they just copied. If they couldn't read the previous copiests hand writing, they just put whatever they thought it was and moved right along.

Now, to prove a point, everyone just take a pen and piece of paper, and hand write/copy this entire post 8 times. But rather than copy it from the original each time, copy it from the copy. And don't forget to add in the fancy scrollwork on the fist letter of each paragraph, and add some illustrations too.

Now, translate it into a foreign language that you're not overly familiar with See what you get.

The (NT) Bible is not an historical text book. Its a book full of stories about one guy who may or may not have been The Saviour. And even the 4 Gospels don't always agree, and they're supposedly telling the same story!

The NT (and even OT) Originals *may* have been dictated by Jahweh, but no one knows where those originals are, and Jahweh ain't sayin'. The copies were made by humans, the most current versions hundreds of years later, and humans make mistakes all the time. That's why Bette Nesmith invented Liquid Paper. But ancient monks and scribe slaves didn't have Liquid Paper.

any popcorn left?