Changing Job/Country after DQ, Joint Sponsor Retired, Permanent Address Sold

[shebcs 0]

I live in China with my wife. We are DQ for a month and waiting for interview. I requested expedite for interview after waiting after DQ for 4 weeks.

 

What should I do if:
1) I need to relocate from China to USA to secure a life-changing, but time-sensitive job offer with a new company after DQ and before interview?
2) Also my joint sponsor has retired, and sold the house used for both our permanent addresses, after submitting to NVC and before DQ.

 

To me... it looks like almost all of the i864 paperwork for me and joint sponsor is now incorrect. What is worse is that: since I work abroad, my income is below the poverty line (and won't have "proof" of new income until some months after getting to my new job?), and my joint sponsor is now below the poverty line. I have over the 5x poverty line requirement in liquid assets which I itemized, but they heavily implied I needed a joint sponsor. My joint sponsor has over 100x, but itemizing that for the paperwork is just... a bit much?

 

Can we just file some i865s for the address? Do we need to redo i864s and have the whole AOS calculus re-judged? Will a person on the NVC hotline ever say something other than "I'm not sure where you're getting this information, sir" quickly followed by "we can't give you that information, sir."

 

I am extremely frustrated, I don't want to separate from my wife and then hear in 2 months that some kafka-esque fiasco is going on and be unable to prove this AOS stuff because I just don't have the proper papers until next tax season and this turns into a multi-year affair.

 

Any advice would be much appreciated.

 

[Nitas_man 3,100]

Why would you need a joint sponsor if you qualify on assets (and) you have time to start a new job and update your income

[shebcs 0]

NVC hit me with a request for info, notification that I failed the financial requirements, a 90 day turnaround on newly updated docs, and a phone rep suggesting a joint sponsor. So I did that instead of trying for another 90 day turnaround.

 

When I filed these papers I didn't have a job offer or really many leads. "having time to start a new job and update your income" is the option I was trying to avoid since I've managed to get this far without separating from my family.

 

Are you suggesting that there is some way, at this point in the process, to remove the joint sponsor?

 

 

[Nitas_man 3,100]

13 minutes ago, shebcs said:

NVC hit me with a request for info, notification that I failed the financial requirements, a 90 day turnaround on newly updated docs, and a phone rep suggesting a joint sponsor. So I did that instead of trying for another 90 day turnaround.

 

When I filed these papers I didn't have a job offer or really many leads. "having time to start a new job and update your income" is the option I was trying to avoid since I've managed to get this far without separating from my family.

 

Are you suggesting that there is some way, at this point in the process, to remove the joint sponsor?

 

 

I did this twice on assets, no job no joint sponsor.  So I’m wondering why you need one.

[shebcs 0]

2 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

I did this twice on assets, no job no joint sponsor.  So I’m wondering why you need one.

 

Yeah, not sure. My first papers to NVC were without the joint sponsor, then they sent a request for "proof of income" (even though I filled in 0$ for income) and "shebcs does not meet the financial requirements ... consular officer will..." notices, then I called them and they recommended joint sponsor.

 

Now, I wonder if it could have processed through fine once I uploaded the "proof of income" ... but like I said, at that time NVC had a 3 month turnaround, so I didn't feel like testing it and just wanted to get through to a human / consular officer... Wasn't expecting having a joint sponsor to become a problem in the future.

[Nitas_man 3,100]

11 minutes ago, shebcs said:

 

Yeah, not sure. My first papers to NVC were without the joint sponsor, then they sent a request for "proof of income" (even though I filled in 0$ for income) and "shebcs does not meet the financial requirements ... consular officer will..." notices, then I called them and they recommended joint sponsor.

 

Now, I wonder if it could have processed through fine once I uploaded the "proof of income" ... but like I said, at that time NVC had a 3 month turnaround, so I didn't feel like testing it and just wanted to get through to a human / consular officer... Wasn't expecting having a joint sponsor to become a problem in the future.

Something’s wrong.  For a spouse, 3x not 5x are required.  They want them liquid and they want them parked in the US.  I’d re-check.

 

[shebcs 0]

Just now, Nitas_man said:

Something’s wrong.  For a spouse, 3x not 5x are required.  They want them liquid and they want them parked in the US.  I’d re-check.

 

I agree, that's why I filed without one the first time and waited some weeks for my initial rejection. It is 5x, and it is in a US account, and it is liquid... I gave them 3 years bank statements, 3 years tax returns, and itemized asset holdings. They sent an email that I didn't meet financial requirements *and a consular officer would make the decision* (as in, maybe it was fine). They also asked for me to upload proof of income and froze the process waiting for me to upload. After an hour on hold to NVC, then getting stonewalled about "is this fine without a joint sponsor", and not wanting to wait another 3 months for a reply, I played safe and added a joint sponsor.

 

Like I said, maybe it would have gone through fine after I uploaded my "proof of income" which was 0$, like I said on the i864. But I didn't know, no one was telling me, and I couldn't wait another 3 months for a yes/no.

 

I'm glad it worked for you. I'm sure it would have worked for me too if I could have spoken to the consular officer . Perhaps it would have worked if I never submitted the joint sponsor. But I don't have 90 days, twice, to test that theory.

 

Do you have a recommendation for my current situation? I do not understand what point you are trying to make that I can use to solve my problem.

 

 

[Nitas_man 3,100]

4 minutes ago, shebcs said:

I agree, that's why I filed without one the first time and waited some weeks for my initial rejection. It is 5x, and it is in a US account, and it is liquid... I gave them 3 years bank statements, 3 years tax returns, and itemized asset holdings. They sent an email that I didn't meet financial requirements *and a consular officer would make the decision* (as in, maybe it was fine). They also asked for me to upload proof of income and froze the process waiting for me to upload. After an hour on hold to NVC, then getting stonewalled about "is this fine without a joint sponsor", and not wanting to wait another 3 months for a reply, I played safe and added a joint sponsor.

 

Like I said, maybe it would have gone through fine after I uploaded my "proof of income" which was 0$, like I said on the i864. But I didn't know, no one was telling me, and I couldn't wait another 3 months for a yes/no.

 

I'm glad it worked for you. I'm sure it would have worked for me too if I could have spoken to the consular officer . Perhaps it would have worked if I never submitted the joint sponsor. But I don't have 90 days, twice, to test that theory.

 

Do you have a recommendation for my current situation? I do not understand what point you are trying to make that I can use to solve my problem.

 

 

I’m trying to first understand how this became a problem.  When you said “rejection” what exactly was the wording?

 

Because that is not what the NVC does.  The NVC only determines whether you have all the correct documents.  They don’t deny/reject.  Everyone who returns to the US has zero income (at least zero for immigration purposes).  
 

Did you submit returns or tranacripts?

[carmel34 3,626]

2 hours ago, shebcs said:

What should I do if:
1) I need to relocate from China to USA to secure a life-changing, but time-sensitive job offer with a new company after DQ and before interview?

You may need to return to the US to start the new job before your wife's interview, also to establish a US domicile.  She can follow after the interview.  Some temporary separation is often part of a spousal visa process.  Good luck!

[shebcs 0]

1 hour ago, Nitas_man said:

I’m trying to first understand how this became a problem.

 

And I am trying to redirect the conversation to how someone would propose dealing with a change of address and change of income, after DQ and before interview, with respect to i864 and i865 forms. Perhaps you could explain to me what relevance the exact chain of events leading to the establishment of a joint sponsor has to that specific question? If this will somehow lead around to a proposed solution, I am of course happy to copy-paste all my emails, ceac messages, timestamps, paperwork etc. Thanks!

 

43 minutes ago, carmel34 said:

You may need to return to the US to start the new job before your wife's interview, also to establish a US domicile.  She can follow after the interview.  Some temporary separation is often part of a spousal visa process.  Good luck!

Yes, that's becoming apparent. But now she's going to walk into that interview with a bunch of paperwork that is factually incorrect because circumstances have changed between filling out the paperwork and now. I am asking how we can fix that situation so she doesn't get flat-out rejected. Thank you

Edited May 23, 2021 by shebcs

[Lil bear 4,201]

10 minutes ago, shebcs said:

 

And I am trying to redirect the conversation to how someone would propose dealing with a change of address and change of income, after DQ and before interview, with respect to i864 and i865 forms. Perhaps you could explain to me what relevance the exact chain of events leading to the establishment of a joint sponsor has to that specific question? If this will somehow lead around to a proposed solution, I am of course happy to copy-paste all my emails, ceac messages, timestamps, paperwork etc. Thanks!

 

Yes, that's becoming apparent. But now she's going to walk into that interview with a bunch of paperwork that is factually incorrect because circumstances have changed between filling out the paperwork and now. I am asking how we can fix that situation so she doesn't get flat-out rejected. Thank you

You received the standard notice from the NVC. Good thing is that NVC has passed the application to the Consulate for interview and decision. You have a far better chance there ..  

Prepare new I864 for both you and the joint sponsor that reflects all  changes .. financial situation as addresses.. and have your spouse take all these to the interview.  It is not uncommon for these things to change between the time of submission and interview. No need for an I 865… there is actually no “ joint sponsor “ in place yet so there’s no address to change. 
 

Best safe guard is for  you to have reestablished residency and have 2-3 payslips in hand for her to take to the interview. This negates the challenge of having assets accepted and needing a joint sponsor. Having in hand a firm job firm job contract plus the back up of your assets is the next safest option but no one can tell you what will be definitely “enough”, as it all in the hands of the interviewee 

 

[Nitas_man 3,100]

3 hours ago, shebcs said:

 

And I am trying to redirect the conversation to how someone would propose dealing with a change of address and change of income, after DQ and before interview, with respect to i864 and i865 forms. Perhaps you could explain to me what relevance the exact chain of events leading to the establishment of a joint sponsor has to that specific question? If this will somehow lead around to a proposed solution, I am of course happy to copy-paste all my emails, ceac messages, timestamps, paperwork etc. Thanks!

 

Yes, that's becoming apparent. But now she's going to walk into that interview with a bunch of paperwork that is factually incorrect because circumstances have changed between filling out the paperwork and now. I am asking how we can fix that situation so she doesn't get flat-out rejected. Thank you

If the case has been forwarded to the embassy the correct thing to do is bring the updated information to the interview

I thought this was hung up in NVC and couldn’t figure out why

[shebcs 0]

7 hours ago, Nitas_man said:

If the case has been forwarded to the embassy the correct thing to do is bring the updated information to the interview

I thought this was hung up in NVC and couldn’t figure out why

Yeah, sorry, failure to communicate on my part perhaps :) We will try that, thanks!

 

11 hours ago, Lil bear said:

You received the standard notice from the NVC. Good thing is that NVC has passed the application to the Consulate for interview and decision. You have a far better chance there ..  

Prepare new I864 for both you and the joint sponsor that reflects all  changes .. financial situation as addresses.. and have your spouse take all these to the interview.  It is not uncommon for these things to change between the time of submission and interview. No need for an I 865… there is actually no “ joint sponsor “ in place yet so there’s no address to change. 
 

Best safe guard is for  you to have reestablished residency and have 2-3 payslips in hand for her to take to the interview. This negates the challenge of having assets accepted and needing a joint sponsor. Having in hand a firm job firm job contract plus the back up of your assets is the next safest option but no one can tell you what will be definitely “enough”, as it all in the hands of the interviewee 

 

Ok, great. I'll make updated i864s and whatever supplemental evidence I can with the job contract and latest asset list. Thank you!

[Nitas_man 3,100]

1 hour ago, shebcs said:

Yeah, sorry, failure to communicate on my part perhaps We will try that, thanks!

 

No worries dude.  Wow, might have been my bad.  NVC are glorified clerks.  
 

Yes, fix that at interview.  Procure two.  Your with assets only, try it.  Have a backup just in case, they won’t deny outright they’ll give the beneficiary a chance to provide a second one.

What you got I believe is a “form letter”.  Rules are clear at interview time, a job offer should clear you right through on your own affidavit.

 

Good luck!

Edited May 24, 2021 by Nitas_man

[pushbrk 12,882]

6 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

No worries dude.  Wow, might have been my bad.  NVC are glorified clerks.  
 

Yes, fix that at interview.  Procure two.  Your with assets only, try it.  Have a backup just in case, they won’t deny outright they’ll give the beneficiary a chance to provide a second one.

What you got I believe is a “form letter”.  Rules are clear at interview time, a job offer should clear you right through on your own affidavit.

 

Good luck!

Well, the job offer PLUS the documented liquid assets.

 

Lot's of overreaction to notices from NVC that mention joint sponsors but also say the Consulate will make the decision.  If the case has been DQ'd and the assets are sufficient, there's nothing to worry about and no need for a joint sponsor.