New York attorney general is now investigating Trump Organization 'in a criminal capacity'

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4 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Just not as clever as Hunter and "The Big Guy".

wrong just not as Democrat 

[TBoneTX 45,778]

And here's yet another nothing-burger.

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Report: Manhattan DA to Dash the Dreams of Trump-Haters

By Nick Arama | Jun 28, 2021 8:30 PM ET

 

[...] the word is in from Trump's attorney, and it sounds like Vance may be dashing the Trump-haters' dreams and yet again, they will be gnashing their teeth in disappointment.

 

According to Ronald Fischetti, he said he was informed that the DA would not be charging Trump after having his tax returns and investigating for years.  He said that he had been informed that they were looking at the Organization and a small number of employees for failing to pay taxes on giving perks to some of the employees.  [...]

 

Continues here:   https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/06/28/report-manhattan-da-to-dash-the-dreams-of-trump-haters-n403965  

 

Edited June 29, 2021 by TBoneTX

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4 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

And here's yet another nothing-burger.

For those that think Redstate is too biased.

 

Trump lawyer: Manhattan DA won't charge former president

WASHINGTON — Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance has indicated he does not currently plan to charge the Trump Organization with crimes related to allegations of "hush money" payments and real estate value manipulations, according to a personal lawyer for Donald Trump.

 

Ronald Fischetti, a New York attorney who represents the former president, said on Monday that in a meeting last week, he asked Vance’s team for details on charges they were considering.

 

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2021/06/28/trump-lawyer-manhattan-da-wont-charge-former-president-1387274

 

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Well, if Politico says it, it must be true!  

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Um, when lawyers say things like "currently" they mean the door is open to things changing. Isn't it Trump's lawyer saying that's what Cy Vance is saying? We need to wait to see what the Manhattan DA actually does. Trump's lawyer -- who hear is an excellent trial attorney btw -- is obviously an advocate for his client and will be spinning things in advance of an actual statement. He could be right, or wrong, but we do not know yet.

[TBoneTX 45,778]

Perhaps, but it wouldn't have gotten this far this openly without some element of truth to it.

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[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Not so fast, Lucy. As has been bandied about here recently by others (before the comments were disappeared like political prisoners), werds mean things. When I see a word like "currently" said by a lawyer, it's a red flag. And if not red, then at least dark pink. Why? A word like "currently" expresses both a state of being and not being, essentially a Schrodinger's Cat scenario. In this case, that while there are no plans to charge Trump in his individual capacity at this moment in time (if we trust Fischetti to be a reliable narrator of his conversation with Vance, which I leave to you to decide whether you trust what any lawyer says), that does not mean that there are no plans, at any time to charge Trump as an individual.

 

Will Trump be charged by Cy Vance's office? Maybe, just not now. At the moment, future charges both exist potentially and do not. To my ears,  "currently" is the sort of CYA word that ensures that Fischetti is telling the truth, no matter what the eventual outcome of charges may be. If Trump is charged at a later time, he is correct. If Trump is never charged, he is also correct.

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10 minutes ago, elmcitymaven said:

Not so fast, Lucy. As has been bandied about here recently by others (before the comments were disappeared like political prisoners), werds mean things. When I see a word like "currently" said by a lawyer, it's a red flag. And if not red, then at least dark pink. Why? A word like "currently" expresses both a state of being and not being, essentially a Schrodinger's Cat scenario. In this case, that while there are no plans to charge Trump in his individual capacity at this moment in time (if we trust Fischetti to be a reliable narrator of his conversation with Vance, which I leave to you to decide whether you trust what any lawyer says), that does not mean that there are no plans, at any time to charge Trump as an individual.

 

Will Trump be charged by Cy Vance's office? Maybe, just not now. At the moment, future charges both exist potentially and do not. To my ears,  "currently" is the sort of CYA word that ensures that Fischetti is telling the truth, no matter what the eventual outcome of charges may be. If Trump is charged at a later time, he is correct. If Trump is never charged, he is also correct.

You are correct of course, but we seem to hear from those still suffering from TDS that charges are a sure thing.  Maybe they are, maybe they are not.  We were told the taxes being released to Vance's office were a slam dunk for charges, but in they do in fact show something, maybe Vance should go after the IRS/State of NY auditors first.

 

As to lawyers, they, much like most politicians/political spokespeople, are well skilled in saying nothing and avoiding explicitly lying.  It is probably the biggest reason those folks are not really trusted.

Edited June 30, 2021 by Dashinka

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9 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

You are correct of course, but we seem to hear from those still suffering from TDS that charges are a sure thing.  Maybe they are, maybe they are not.  We were told the taxes being released to Vance's office were a slam dunk for charges, but in they do in fact show something, maybe Vance should go after the IRS/State of NY auditors first.

 

As to lawyers, they, much like most politicians/political spokespeople, are well skilled in saying nothing and avoiding explicitly lying.  It is probably the biggest reason those folks are not really trusted.

This is why keeping one's mind, eyes and ears open is important. Most spokespeople are feeding you a line, even more so than attorneys who must balance duties to their client as well as to the court and the public at large. Fischetti is the real deal and knows what he's doing. I pay more attention to what he says than, for example, Jason Miller who is still working for Trump as an advisor, not as counsel. I pay more attention to what Vance and his department will say, as they have the power to bring charges. Everything else is conjecture; while some of that conjecture may be fairly well-educated guesses, it's only useful in exploring the "what if"s that will follow. What if Trump is charged, then what? What if he is not charged, then what? Even if he is not ultimately charged, there are then questions of why not. While I enjoy reading and listening to commentary, I don't ever take it as gospel.

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3 minutes ago, elmcitymaven said:

This is why keeping one's mind, eyes and ears open is important. Most spokespeople are feeding you a line, even more so than attorneys who must balance duties to their client as well as to the court and the public at large. Fischetti is the real deal and knows what he's doing. I pay more attention to what he says than, for example, Jason Miller who is still working for Trump as an advisor, not as counsel. I pay more attention to what Vance and his department will say, as they have the power to bring charges. Everything else is conjecture; while some of that conjecture may be fairly well-educated guesses, it's only useful in exploring the "what if"s that will follow. What if Trump is charged, then what? What if he is not charged, then what? Even if he is not ultimately charged, there are then questions of why not. While I enjoy reading and listening to commentary, I don't ever take it as gospel.

I will say, that if get caught I doing something bad in NYC, I am calling Fischetti. I am not sure what I would do if I were innocent, but definitely if I were guilty.

Edited June 30, 2021 by CanAm1980

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1 minute ago, CanAm1980 said:

I will say, that if get caught I doing something bad in NYC, I am calling Fischetti. I am not sure what I would do if I were innocent, but definitely if I were guilty.

If you are caught red handed doing something bad, why not actually take responsibility for the crime?

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

"Currently, Trump will be impeached because we have an anonymous witness"

 

I remember how that went down.

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9 hours ago, Dashinka said:

If you are caught red handed doing something bad, why not actually take responsibility for the crime?

Good point, will we see DJT take responsibility or will he hide behind lawyers?

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12 hours ago, elmcitymaven said:

I leave to you to decide whether you trust what any lawyer says

Whole lotta tortfeasin' goin' on.

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"$900 for three questions," said the lawyer.

"$900?!  Isn't that quite excessive?" asked the man.

"No," said the lawyer.  "And what is your third question?"