Maintaining Canadian PR and Awaiting Canadian Citizenship while residing in the US as an LPR

[Daisy.Chain 317]

5 hours ago, Kai (CanadaDude) said:

The renunciation in the US Oath of Allegiance has no legal effect, the US has no bar on multiple nationality. OP is legally free to pursue Canadian citizenship if/when they are eligible for it. Many people have personal reasons for wanting to maintain/gain a citizenship for a country they are moving out of...particularly if things don't work out in the new place they move to they are free to move back if they wish. The Canadian Government rightly acknowledged this and legally permits departing PR's to apply for citizenship.

 

OP, you do what's best for you.

 

Personally, I've spent three years in Canada and will continue to work here and maintain friendships here despite living in the US...I have affection and attachment to Canada just as much as I would with the US. Dual nationality makes perfect sense in these circumstances. They are not mutually exclusive.

It says "renounce". It is kind of sad, but part of becoming a US citizen.

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1 hour ago, Daisy.Chain said:

It says "renounce". It is kind of sad, but part of becoming a US citizen.

No it isn’t. Speaking as a Canadian citizen working through this process, there is no legal obligation to renounce citizenship for countries that allow dual citizenship. There aren’t many countries that require you to renounce, but Canada is not one of them. https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/dual-citizenship-united-states-canada.html

[mushroomspore 3,044]

1 hour ago, Daisy.Chain said:

It says "renounce". It is kind of sad, but part of becoming a US citizen.

Please don't spread misinformation. The US and Canada both allow their citizens to have multiple citizenships. For the US, this is an oath to renounce, not the actual LEGAL process to renounce. To truly renounce anywhere, one must fill out paperwork and surrender one's passport (of the country whose citizenship you are renouncing) to federal agents. The US and Canada do not require any citizens to do this if citizens obtain new citizenship elsewhere. When my parents became Canadian citizens, they had to fly back to their origin country in Asia and formally surrender their passports as their origin country did not allow multiple citizenships at the time (laws have since changed but my parents don't want to go back anyway).

Edited May 11, 2021 by mushroomspore

[nelmagriffin 148]

Greetings!

Reference:

3 Ways to Have Dual Citizenship in the US and Canada - wikiHow

[mushroomspore 3,044]

3 hours ago, mushroomspore said:

4 hours ago, Daisy.Chain said:

It says "renounce". It is kind of sad, but part of becoming a US citizen.

The US and Canada do not require any citizens to do this if citizens obtain new citizenship elsewhere.

Correction: actually, the full truth is that the US and Canada do not require any citizens to legally renounce at any point. They do not require us to renounce if we are an existing US or Canadian citizen who has obtained citizenship in a different country that allows multiple citizenship AND they do not require us to renounce if we are a newly naturalized US or Canadian citizen and have existing citizenship elsewhere that allows multiple citizenship. The only time a person would be required to legally renounce US or Canadian citizenship would be if they obtained citizenship in a country that does not allow multiple citizenship, but this would be a requirement of the other country's government, not the US government. The oath also clearly states "renounce allegiance", not "renounce citizenship". The US naturalization oath is simply a way for the newly naturalized citizen to say, "I promise to take no hostile actions against the US and to not become actively involved with individuals, groups or governments that take such actions against the US and aid them in their efforts."

[Ontarkie 14,234]

~~Thread moved to the Canada forum, from IR1/CR1 P&P - as the OP is also asking about getting Canadian citizenship during the CR1 Process.~~

 

 

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Unlike many other Countries Canada does allow a person to move elsewhere and still gain citizenship as mentioned previously. There is zero need for the OP to give up her Canadian PR or wait until after she gains Canadian citizenship before moving the US with the CR1. As for what one says at the Oath ceremony means little to Canada. One country cannot tell the other how to look at their own citizen. SO it really doesn't matter what the US oath ceremony requires one to say. Canada does not care. To actually give up Canadian citizenship is pretty hard and cannot be done by just filling out a form you actually have to go to court no way to do it by accident.

[From_CAN_2_US 1,106]

18 hours ago, Kai (CanadaDude) said:

CBP officers can be absolutely full of rubbish regarding what they think something is and what the law actually is, but as long as you're living/working in the US you should be good. Always good to carry proof of such when going over the border, additionally having a Nexus membership will help wave off some border scrutiny.

 

If they really press you on it...say that you applied for citizenship before gaining LPR and you didn't want to lose out on the fees.

 

I'll be continuing to work in Canada for a few days a week after my move to the US so I'm gonna be dealing with the border and double PR regularly. It's not as rare as you might think! Feel free to keep in touch and I can let you know how I get on.

"Didn't want to lose out on the fees." LOL

 

Yeah in a way my attitude towards Canadian Citizenship is about "not losing out." I am moving to the US mainly because of my husband and it makes sense considering both of us have family there. But before him, I CHOSE Canada. I worked to EARN my PR through the points system, and then earned my eligibility to citizenship by working and living here, and contributing to the country. So, it is hard to let it go... I'm sure you relate. With the US LPR, given I will be granted it through marriage, I don't feel like I earned it. I am grateful for it, no doubt, and I definitely value it, but the sentiment is just different for Canada.

 

Yes, would love to hear your updates on how things go for you. Good luck and congratulations!

 

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[Kai G. Llewellyn 838]

54 minutes ago, From_CAN_2_US said:

"Didn't want to lose out on the fees." LOL

 

Yeah in a way my attitude towards Canadian Citizenship is about "not losing out." I am moving to the US mainly because of my husband and it makes sense considering both of us have family there. But before him, I CHOSE Canada. I worked to EARN my PR through the points system, and then earned my eligibility to citizenship by working and living here, and contributing to the country. So, it is hard to let it go... I'm sure you relate. With the US LPR, given I will be granted it through marriage, I don't feel like I earned it. I am grateful for it, no doubt, and I definitely value it, but the sentiment is just different for Canada.

 

Yes, would love to hear your updates on how things go for you. Good luck and congratulations!

 

I absolutely agree on your sentiment. I came through Federal Skilled Workers/Express Entry, and yeah, had to work hard to secure that PR...just throwing it away would seem like a huge waste. After three years, I feel Canadian, even if I'm in the US this place will feel like a home to me, so yeah, absolutely want to secure my citizenship here. I place a lot of value on the US-Canada relationship and love seeing the cross-border communities, relationships and friendships that are made every day...naturally I'm devastated by the border closure because of that as I feel that it has made Canada take a rather ugly insular turn. I hope that will be reversed in the future.

 

Plus my Canadian employer is really nice to work for, they give me lots of time off and flexible working. I'd be nuts to give that up.

[Daisy.Chain 317]

The US naturalization oath's first part says: 

 

" I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen"

 

That IS what the oath says. There is no room for any interpretation other than "absolutely and entirely renouncing". It is very clear.
 

Will Canada stop recognizing you as a Canadian citizen after you take the oath? No. Will you have any practical difficulty being a dual citizen? I doubt it.

 

If you choose to take the oath not meaning it (not entirely renouncing), you are not true to your oath. There is no room in that paragraph for "except for Canada". "Let your 'yes' be 'yes' and your 'no' be 'no'." If honesty in oaths is not an important issue for you, no problem.

 

It is an ethical or moral issue, admittedly, and not one you are likely to have practical future issues with, except that I heard that some airports require US citizens to fly on the US passport only to enter (or leave? Can't remember) the US. I'm not sure on that but maybe avoid flying on one passport and leaving on another to avoid the possible issue.

Edited May 11, 2021 by Daisy.Chain

[mushroomspore 3,044]

16 minutes ago, Daisy.Chain said:

The US naturalization oath's first part says: 

 

" I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen"

 

That IS what the oath says. There is no room for any interpretation other than "absolutely and entirely renouncing". It is very clear.
 

Will Canada stop recognizing you as a Canadian citizen after you take the oath? No. Will you have any practical difficulty being a dual citizen? I doubt it.

 

If you choose to take the oath not meaning it (not entirely renouncing), you are not true to your oath. There is no room in that paragraph for "except for Canada". "Let your 'yes' be 'yes' and your 'no' be 'no'." If honesty in oaths is not an important issue for you, no problem.

 

It is an ethical or moral issue, admittedly, and not one you are likely to have practical future issues with, except that I heard that some airports require US citizens to fly on the US passport only to enter (or leave? Can't remember) the US. I'm not sure on that but maybe avoid flying on one passport and leaving on another to avoid the possible issue.

Once again, that is not renouncing citizenship. It is renouncing allegiance. Renouncing citizenship is its whole own process. And the passport thing is only for entering. The US doesn't record exits in passports. You're also insinuating anyone who pursues multiple citizenship legally is immoral. That is completely incorrect and baseless.

Edited May 11, 2021 by mushroomspore

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