Pastor in Canada to Be Arrested Using 'Anything Necessary'

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33 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Weren't the services socially distant?  But I guess freedom is a lost cause. Go back and read the initial article, the lawyers for the state have asked for a delay because they cannot come up with the scientific evidence to back up the orders.

According to the CBC, the pastors broke several laws. 

 

Calgary police said they proactively served the church organizers with the order to ensure citizens attending service on Saturday were abiding by public health orders.

In a release, police said the Pawlowskis "acknowledged the injunction, but chose to ignore requirements for social distancing, mask wearing and reduced capacity limits for attendees" and went ahead with the event.

Throughout the pandemic, the brothers have held large, maskless gatherings and have denied health officials entry to the church, which is located in the southeast neighbourhood of Dover.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

According to the CBC, the pastors broke several laws. 

 

Calgary police said they proactively served the church organizers with the order to ensure citizens attending service on Saturday were abiding by public health orders.

In a release, police said the Pawlowskis "acknowledged the injunction, but chose to ignore requirements for social distancing, mask wearing and reduced capacity limits for attendees" and went ahead with the event.

Throughout the pandemic, the brothers have held large, maskless gatherings and have denied health officials entry to the church, which is located in the southeast neighbourhood of Dover.

 

 

Again, the science behind the orders is still in question and apparently the government lawyers are having a hard time gathering that information to satisfy the court in Canada.  It is interesting, a year into this and the science is still questionable at best.  

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7 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I think the question is the farce of the public health emergency and the need for the draconian orders.  The public health experts are losing more and more credibility everyday.

 

  Not with most people. I have family in Alberta. These guys certainly have some supporters but most people think they are acting like self centered selfish idiots and bear the overwhelming majority of the blame for the ridiculous outcome. The police were not looking to make this to happen. The pastor was.

Edited May 10, 2021 by Steeleballz

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17 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Again, the science behind the orders is still in question and apparently the government lawyers are having a hard time gathering that information to satisfy the court in Canada.  It is interesting, a year into this and the science is still questionable at best.  

 You have put no evidence in play that would undermine the Alberta lawful orders, because none exists.  Its the law in Alberta, the police were correct to enforce it.  There is no marxist cultural agenda in trying to save lives. Again, its common sense, for most.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  The penalties for violating public health orders in Alberta are clear. These guys wanted the publicity. Now they got it. 

kinda like the ones who protest by blocking roads and then get run over?

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14 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Not with most people. I have family in Alberta. These guys certainly have some supporters but most people think they are acting like self centered selfish idiots and bear the overwhelming majority of the blame for the ridiculous outcome. The police were not looking to make this to happen. The pastor was.

Honestly, my friends in Calgary had never even heard of these guys, and one of them is quite current and was in fact a recent departure from VJ.  It still doesn't answer the question why the lawyers cannot come up with the scientific basis for the orders which is probably why these two are pushing it.  We have a similar concern here in MI where our governor has been quite heavy handed with orders with only lip service as to the science behind them.

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12 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

 You have put no evidence in play that would undermine the Alberta lawful orders, because none exists.  Its the law in Alberta, the police were correct to enforce it.  There is no marxist cultural agenda in trying to save lives. Again, its common sense, for most.

 

 

Last time I checked, I was not a judge in a Canadian court, so it really doesn't answer the reason why the government lawyers are not ready to proceed.

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21 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Honestly, my friends in Calgary had never even heard of these guys, and one of them is quite current and was in fact a recent departure from VJ.  It still doesn't answer the question why the lawyers cannot come up with the scientific basis for the orders which is probably why these two are pushing it.  We have a similar concern here in MI where our governor has been quite heavy handed with orders with only lip service as to the science behind them.

We get it, you don't think social distancing is effective in  your opinion OR you do and just want to have a cultural food fight. Either way I am over with dreck arguments about not wearing masks, taking the vaccine or social distancing.  

 

If this so called pastor truly follows Christ, he wouldn't endanger his congregation.

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1 minute ago, CanAm1980 said:

We get it, you don't think social distancing is effective in  your opinion OR you do and just want to have a cultural food fight. Either way I am over with dreck arguments about not wearing masks, taking the vaccine or social distancing.  

 

If this so called pastor truly follows Christ, he wouldn't endanger his congregation.

What's the science behind having a two week quarantine for Canadians who go home from the US?  That's quite a stretch from social distancing.  Where's the science behind not allowing Canadian citizens to drive to or from the US, yet they can fly?  

 

As a person who has been practicing "social distancing" for decades, I get that distance works.  Far better than masks, I am certain.  Also, Dashinka never said "social distancing" doesn't work.  Those are YOUR words, not his.

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7 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

What's the science behind having a two week quarantine for Canadians who go home from the US?  That's quite a stretch from social distancing.  Where's the science behind not allowing Canadian citizens to drive to or from the US, yet they can fly?  

Speaking as one who put in their two weeks to visit family last fall, I drove across the border just fine, but I needed justification for the visit and the two week quarantine.  If you recall, last fall, the US was is poor shape with Covid, BC at least was relatively well off.  I may or may not have agreed with the Canadian government, but I didn't pout and declare it a draconian abridgement of my rights, I did the right thing and quarantined.  I was working from home here, I could work from a nice chalet in Whistler just as easily.  Besides, at that time my county was in phase 1.

 

7 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

 

As a person who has been practicing "social distancing" for decades, I get that distance works.  Far better than masks, I am certain.  Also, Dashinka never said "social distancing" doesn't work.  Those are YOUR words, not his.

I have no idea why he wants scientific proof the laws in Alberta are valid, but the pastor is accused of not asking his congregation to wear masks, not enforcing social distancing  and not reducing ( note not eliminate reduce) capacity at the place of worship.   

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17 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

We get it, you don't think social distancing is effective in  your opinion OR you do and just want to have a cultural food fight. Either way I am over with dreck arguments about not wearing masks, taking the vaccine or social distancing.  

 

If this so called pastor truly follows Christ, he wouldn't endanger his congregation.

I think it is those folks that decided to go to these services choice to do so in order to practice their beliefs.  Whether it was endangering to the people that chose to attend (I have not heard the pastor being accused of forcing anyone to attend), it is up to government to prove their case which it seems they are having difficulty doing.  We can all believe what we want and with the "experts" making it up as we go such as telling 4 year olds to wear masks outside at Summer camps, it is getting even more absurd.  Masks make sense to an extent, but the efficacy of wearing them either by transmitting the Vid, or contracting it has not been proven.  Vaccines make sense and I am in favor of them, but those in power seem to think letting folks return to their lives after being vaccinated is too much.  First it was keep the pressure off the hospitals, now it is "herd immunity" with its constantly changing target.  This whole episode is a test in population control.  I tend to believe Gottleib who seems to be making sense.  The longer these orders, be it the US or Canada, are kept in place, the less credibility those that make up these orders will have when they need to be re-implemented and that is apart from all the hypocritical actions of those that make the orders.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/transcript-scott-gottlieb-face-nation-151253890.html 

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4 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

Speaking as one who put in their two weeks to visit family last fall, I drove across the border just fine, but I needed justification for the visit and the two week quarantine.  If you recall, last fall, the US was is poor shape with Covid, BC at least was relatively well off.  I may or may not have agreed with the Canadian government, but I didn't pout and declare it a draconian abridgement of my rights, I did the right thing and quarantined.  I was working from home here, I could work from a nice chalet in Whistler just as easily.  Besides, at that time my county was in phase 1.

 

I have no idea why he wants scientific proof the laws in Alberta are valid, but the pastor is accused of not asking his congregation to wear masks, not enforcing social distancing  and not reducing ( note not eliminate reduce) capacity at the place of worship.   

Like I said, read the original article in the OP, it is not I that am asking for the proof of the science, but the courts in Canada, and yet the government lawyers seem to be having difficulty in putting that together.  It seems to me that the government has had a year to collate the evidence, apparently they aren't to sure about it.

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11 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Like I said, read the original article in the OP, it is not I that am asking for the proof of the science, but the courts in Canada, and yet the government lawyers seem to be having difficulty in putting that together.  It seems to me that the government has had a year to collate the evidence, apparently they aren't to sure about it.

The same RCMP folks shut down a neighborhood cafe for the same reason(s) on the same day.  This is not about religious liberty, Folks could attend , but within the guidelines. 

 

Here are links to the Globe and Mail , and CBC

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/artur-dawid-pawlowski-1.6019536

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-alberta-police-arrest-three-anti-lockdown-protesters/

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1 hour ago, Ban Hammer said:

kinda like the ones who protest by blocking roads and then get run over?

 

   Some people are comparing this to the holocaust online so I do give you credit for holding back.

 

   It's illegal to run people over under any circumstances, so no, no comparison with police arresting someone for repeatedly violating the law despite numerous warnings.

 

  

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5 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

The same RCMP folks shut down a neighborhood cafe for the same reason(s) on the same day.  This is not about religious liberty, Folks could attend , but within the guidelines. 

 

Here are links to the Globe and Mail , and CBC

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/artur-dawid-pawlowski-1.6019536

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-alberta-police-arrest-three-anti-lockdown-protesters/

You seem to be avoiding the question, but whatever.  Government needs followers.