Daily update on Biden tanking america

[B_J 2,752]

Just now, PGA said:

Oh no...not the wife....I'm screwed....

 

Welcome to my world.

[PGA 240]

1 minute ago, B_J said:

I'm an old.  Cash, credit, or check.  I don't understand debit cards.

Checks? Good lord, you are old! 😁

[B_J 2,752]

2 minutes ago, PGA said:

Checks? Good lord, you are old! 😁

I don't need you to tell me that.  I've got a mirror.

[TBoneTX 45,304]

7 minutes ago, PGA said:

Checks? Good lord, you are old! 😁

And he probably meant travelers' checks!

[B_J 2,752]

1 minute ago, TBoneTX said:

And he probably meant travelers' checks!

Don't Leave Home Without Them.

[laylalex 7,285]

10 minutes ago, PGA said:

OK...so what do YOU think? What do YOU think the standards should be? What for YOU is the age teachers should teach these issues? Today, maybe nobody, or few (mostly in college campuses) gets asked their preferred pronouns, but what about a few years from now?

 

Yes, I have met and have been friends with several transgender people (though one, the first time I met her, she looked at me like I was ham sandwich 😆) ... I've even been to several drag shows in Hawaii and Texas on occasion (though someone pinched my ### at one in Hawaii which wasn't really appreciated). Honestly, I don't think anything was wrong too much in Florida but we're watching the craziness happening all over the rest of the country and trying to nip it. 

 

Will only conservative voices be heard in developing standards if they aren't developed yet? Do you ask this same question to yourself about the more liberal states: California, Oregon, Washington? I am guessing you don't. 

 

If my child came up to me today, she is 10, and said "daddy,  I think I should've been born a boy"....what is your proposal? Should I call the surgery center and schedule an appointment? Or, should I leave it to the school to decide? 

Yes, some parents are abusers...that's terrible, but should we assume ALL parents are abusers and not give them the right to information about their child?   

   

Aaaaah again I think we are actually a lot closer than you think on quite a few of these issues, but I'm game (taking a break from watching the England v Ireland match, please do not spoil the result).

 

I don't have an opinion on what the standards should be, because I'm not qualified to have an opinion. I mean, in a sort of amorphous way I believe that it's silly to pretend that there aren't non-traditionally gendered people in the world, because there very clearly are, and have been for millennia. To pretend that somehow ignoring their narratives will protect kids doesn't make sense. I'm not talking about "let's get into the nitty-gritty of the biological, social, psychological, political, etc. background" but -- as we seem to agree -- there appears to be no space for a book that happens to have a gay person in it. Kids ask all sorts of questions, and the bill seems to say that teachers couldn't respond to extremely anodyne ones like "so sometimes there can be two mommies?" 

 

Let's be real, little kids aren't doing preferred pronouns. I'm sure we could find an instance or two out there, but the exception doesn't prove any rule. It's older kids who are asking about them, kids old enough to find words to express what's happening with them. Their feelings should be appreciated and explored with the adults in their lives -- parents, doctors, faith leaders, and yes, even teachers. We are not all the same, and the lack of uniformity doesn't mean that the norm is necessarily best and should be imposed on everyone when it comes to gender identity. Again, there are ways to do this without making it about sexual congress -- gender and sexuality are very different animals. One of the trans people I know was attracted to women before he transitioned and now that he's a man, he's still attracted to women. For me personally, being a woman has little to do with being attracted to men even though I am definitely straight. 

 

Binaries are neat and tidy, and being a human really isn't neat or tidy. We're messy and we change, we grow into ourselves and keep on growing. There is so much opportunity for schools to be spaces to explore the untidiness of the human condition that respects where kids are in terms of their intellectual and emotional development. I am not capable of saying how that would be done, because I'm not an educator. But ideally that would have been thrashed out before this bill was passed. It's rather like putting the cart before the horse.

 

I have a stepdaughter who's 8 and a half. If she came to me and said she thought she'd been born in the wrong body, I'd first get all the other parents (my husband, his ex and her fiancé) in the same room with us. We'd discuss it as a family -- what does she mean when she says that? What does being a boy or being a girl mean to her? It would be a discussion for the family, first and foremost, and I would never want her teachers involved in anything more than being an ear to listen to her concerns. And no surgeon in this country will perform gender reassignment surgery to young children. None. Zip.

 

If my child is unhappy, I want to know why and I want to know what I can do to help. It could be that she thinks she's a boy because she doesn't like "girl" things (my stepdaughter would prefer to be fighting pirates, but is happy enough wearing dresses and baking cakes). That's the basis for a discussion about why it's fine to like to do things that maybe aren't "normal" amongst her peers. Or maybe there's something more to it. But no one is talking about "let's go to the surgery center" from the beginning. That's ridiculous, and I suspect you already know that.

 

Please don't put words in my mouth that you assume I want only liberal voices at the table. With all due respect, you don't know me, and most people who do say that I am very open to hearing from many viewpoints, and I know the power in representation. (If that wasn't clear already!) Skewing policy to reflect only one portion of society is a weak position to play from -- ultimately, there will be legal challenges and about-faces when a new partisan faction gains control. This leads to instability and polarization, or, in states like California, stagnation in policy. We need good faith actors from across the spectrum, and we need people who are open to thinking about what the goal of legislation is besides scoring cheap political points and entrenching power. I may be a pretty liberal person, but I try not to deal in absolutes wherever I can. 

 

Okay, I am being told that if we are going to finish watching the rugby before the clocks go forward, I have to wrap it up.  

[TBoneTX 45,304]

Regardless of whether I believe the above argument, I upvoted it for its depth of thinking.

[Boiler 45,525]

Cheques

 

English only please

[PGA 240]

28 minutes ago, laylalex said:

If my child is unhappy, I want to know why

Oh my...EXACTLY what the Florida bill calls for....

[PGA 240]

32 minutes ago, laylalex said:

But no one is talking about "let's go to the surgery center" from the beginning. That's ridiculous, and I suspect you already know that.

 

OMG....go on Twitter and follow  https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author and see what crazy is going on..

 

36 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Please don't put words in my mouth that you assume I want only liberal voices at the table. With all due respect, you don't know me, and most people who do say that I am very open to hearing from many viewpoints, and I know the power in representation. (If that wasn't clear already!) Skewing policy to reflect only one portion of society is a weak position to play from -- ultimately, there will be legal challenges and about-faces when a new partisan faction gains control. This leads to instability and polarization, or, in states like California, stagnation in policy. We need good faith actors from across the spectrum, and we need people who are open to thinking about what the goal of legislation is besides scoring cheap political points and entrenching power. I may be a pretty liberal person, but I try not to deal in absolutes wherever I can. 

Didn't intend to "put words in your mouth" but Ted Cruz? Nancy Pelosi?  AOC? Love to hear your thoughts?

[TBoneTX 45,304]

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New Biden Whine: Americans Are Just Too Stupid to Understand the Great Job He's Doing

BY ROBERT SPENCER MAR 12, 2022 12:01 PM ET

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/robert-spencer/2022/03/12/new-biden-whine-americans-are-just-too-stupid-to-understand-the-great-job-hes-doing-n1565938  

 

Edited March 13, 2022 by TBoneTX

[Crazy Cat 41,886]

[Dashinka 24,508]

Such strong leadership in the WH.  Are they still courting Iran even after the recent missile attack?

 

Russia-Ukraine war exposes fissures between Obama, Biden officials with oil-rich country leaders
 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russia-ukraine-war-exposes-tfissures-obama-biden-officials-oil-rich-countries

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[Mike E 11,739]

I can’t fathom why he is on his knees to these three despots when all he has to do is uncancel Keystone XL. Does Premier Jason Kenney really intimidate Biden that much?
 

What a strange world when the USA treats one of its top allies worse than it treats three dictators, one of which regularly attacks America.