Derek Chauvin found guilty on all counts in the murder of George Floyd

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2 hours ago, OriTbd said:

This is why I think manslaughter. How does it prove murder though?

The jurors were instructed according to Minnesota state law and their definition of 2nd & 3rd degree murder.  At the end of the day, what is the difference between manslaughter and murder?

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22 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

The jurors were instructed according to Minnesota state law and their definition of 2nd & 3rd degree murder.  At the end of the day, what is the difference between manslaughter and murder?

Pretty big difference imo. Apparently according to the law as well, as the maximum sentence is much longer.

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13 hours ago, OriTbd said:

Nope, wrong. Reread my comment. Being innocent vs committing murder vs manslaughter 3 totally different things. 

He murdered someone. Everyone was able to watch him murder someone. He committed murder and it was pretty obvious.

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50 minutes ago, sl1pstream said:

He murdered someone. Everyone was able to watch him murder someone. He committed murder and it was pretty obvious.

  I think prosecution made a pretty clear argument that Chauvin had to be aware of the consequences of restricting oxygen to the brain for 10 minutes. That made it murder, and the jury agreed.

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If you choke someone for 10 minutes what do you expect to happen?

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14 hours ago, OriTbd said:

Yup, what did I miss? How in your opinion did they prove it was murder? Serious question 

Second degree murder in this case, means while the individual had no premeditated intent to kill the victim, they were inflicting bodily harm with malice aforethought and knew (had the training and knowledge) that their actions could and likely would lead to the death of the victim. The fact that he also knew that the victim had stopped breathing and there were other clear bodily evidence of no signs of life and continued, as if to be sure the victim was good and dead, is particularly cruel. He showed no signs of remorse, and no signs of consciously wanting to assist or realizing his 'error'. I believe that the jury did actually weigh this heavily, and I believe the prosecution and evidence was overwhelming. Even the defense witnesses could not defend his actions. 

 

To prove the second degree murder, in the state, the prosecution only needed to show that he didn't necessarily have the intent to kill his victim, only that he killed him while committing a felony which was assault. For murder in the third, they needed to prove that his actions were dangerous and disregarded human life. I think the evidence was overwhelming in this regard. His lawyer was terrible, and the witnesses were ill-prepared and could render no real defense of reasonableness. There was no overwhelming evidence to put doubt as to what he died from and the actions that caused it. The state witnesses were thorough, well-prepared, and logical.

 

The judge did not allow Chauvin's past history of complaints against his conduct as an officer. I think that's kind of unfortunate as it goes to show this was part of a pattern of his behavior and disregard for any human life. If it hadn't happened to Floyd, it may very well have happened to another eventually. But it was not ultimately needed to prove his guilt in this matter. He knew exactly what he was doing, and did it anyway. Maybe he thought it wouldn't have killed him, but his disregard shows the depravity of mind and heart. He is a very bad person.

21 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I have not meet one person who thought what Chauvin did was ok or that he should not be convicted 

 

The only sad part is that, now a drug addicted sexual predator is now a hero to so many

If it wasn't Floyd that he killed that day he would have likely killed someone else. I don't see him as a hero, only a guy that was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He had a criminal past and clearly had some issues. That didn't mean he deserved to die that way which I find to be particularly cruel. Bad cops need to be removed.

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9 minutes ago, Boiler said:

If you choke someone for 10 minutes what do you expect to happen?

   I would expect a charge of murder, not manslaughter.

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2 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

   I would expect a charge of murder, not manslaughter.

I assumed they went with what they knew they could easily convict with and that perhaps the difference in the sentence did not really matter.

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3 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

The fact that he also knew that the victim had stopped breathing and there were other clear bodily evidence of no signs of life and continued, as if to be sure the victim was good and dead, is particularly cruel. He showed no signs of remorse, and no signs of consciously wanting to assist or realizing his 'error'. I believe that the jury did actually weigh this heavily, and I believe the prosecution and evidence was overwhelming. Even the defense witnesses could not defend his actions. 

I think this is the only way they got murder 2.  I initially thought it was a stretch but I think his attitude is what convinced the jurors.

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4 minutes ago, B_J said:

I think this is the only way they got murder 2.  I initially thought it was a stretch but I think his attitude is what convinced the jurors.

I tried to keep an open mind while watching this trial. Initially thought it would be difficult, but it became very clear within 3 days in. The evidence was there. I believe there was also a juror with medical experience that probably was valuable help in deciding, and the jury reportedly was well bonded. They came back very quickly and asked no questions which means there was little debate. I think they had also decided several days in... some of the worst defense I have seen..

 

Also, I don't know how the trial of the other men will go.. honestly. They should have all taken plea deals.

Edited April 22, 2021 by yuna628

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On 4/21/2021 at 11:12 AM, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I have not meet one person who thought what Chauvin did was ok or that he should not be convicted 

 

The only sad part is that, now a drug addicted sexual predator is now a hero to so many

Sigh....

 

Yet another human being was murdered by the police in a country that calls itself democratic, free and first world.  THAT is the sad part. 

[OriZ 3,157]

13 hours ago, sl1pstream said:

He murdered someone. Everyone was able to watch him murder someone. He committed murder and it was pretty obvious.

Uh...sure ok still waiting for that proof but sure let's just keep repeating this narrative for the heck of it

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12 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Second degree murder in this case, means while the individual had no premeditated intent to kill the victim, they were inflicting bodily harm with malice aforethought and knew (had the training and knowledge) that their actions could and likely would lead to the death of the victim. The fact that he also knew that the victim had stopped breathing and there were other clear bodily evidence of no signs of life and continued, as if to be sure the victim was good and dead, is particularly cruel. He showed no signs of remorse, and no signs of consciously wanting to assist or realizing his 'error'. I believe that the jury did actually weigh this heavily, and I believe the prosecution and evidence was overwhelming. Even the defense witnesses could not defend his actions. 

 

To prove the second degree murder, in the state, the prosecution only needed to show that he didn't necessarily have the intent to kill his victim, only that he killed him while committing a felony which was assault. For murder in the third, they needed to prove that his actions were dangerous and disregarded human life. I think the evidence was overwhelming in this regard. His lawyer was terrible, and the witnesses were ill-prepared and could render no real defense of reasonableness. There was no overwhelming evidence to put doubt as to what he died from and the actions that caused it. The state witnesses were thorough, well-prepared, and logical.

 

The judge did not allow Chauvin's past history of complaints against his conduct as an officer. I think that's kind of unfortunate as it goes to show this was part of a pattern of his behavior and disregard for any human life. If it hadn't happened to Floyd, it may very well have happened to another eventually. But it was not ultimately needed to prove his guilt in this matter. He knew exactly what he was doing, and did it anyway. Maybe he thought it wouldn't have killed him, but his disregard shows the depravity of mind and heart. He is a very bad person.

If it wasn't Floyd that he killed that day he would have likely killed someone else. I don't see him as a hero, only a guy that was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He had a criminal past and clearly had some issues. That didn't mean he deserved to die that way which I find to be particularly cruel. Bad cops need to be removed.

Appreciate your perspective as always 

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Just throwing this out there....

If you can't breath  you can't say you can't breath. You can't say anything. 

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22 hours ago, Skyman said:

Just throwing this out there....

If you can't breath  you can't say you can't breath. You can't say anything. 

He died murdered by asphyxiation. Whats your point?