Radical New Rules for Post-America

[Dashinka 24,629]

Just now, Steeleballz said:

 

   

 

   That was a good one.

So in you work in the hospital, when have you ever been forced to take a re-education class based on a conservative group pushing a political position?

[Dashinka 24,629]

15 minutes ago, Prizm123 said:

tell that to the moral majority, american family association, family research council and any religous group.

they have been trying to control everything for decades, from what they deem as acceptable music, to acceptable religion, to acceptable definitions of morality, to acceptable artists or education

its funny how all of a sudden the right are so afraid of getting "cancelled" since they have been trying to cancel people for years. just ask the dixie chicks, the people who made dungeons and dragons, heavy metal bands, rappers and hip hop artists, anyone who practices a religion other than white Protestantism etc....

 

this is a false equivalence by the way. companies are free to choose to do business with whoever they want. consumers have the right to decide not to financially support that company. no one is forcing the company to do anything other than the benjamins. again, thats called a free market.

It is not just the Right that are being canceled, even traditional liberals and libertarians are subject to the new thought police on the far Left.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

3 hours ago, Prizm123 said:

 

if i choose not to go to support someone like ted nugent, what are you going to do?

 

   Actually, if you choose not to support Ted Nugent, it would be hard to tell. You would blend in pretty well with most of the rest of America.

[yuna628 9,686]

5 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Not sure about you, but I have not been subjected to re-education classes related to policies or thoughts pushed by Focus on the Family (whoever they are).  I suppose they may be outraged, but not much attention is paid to conservative groups.  I do love the Joe Biden/Democrat response to who is Antifa, but have your business destroyed by them and you might think differently.

 

Same as above, what company have you been a part of that created Re-education classes based on a position pushed by a conservative group?  In all my years working for various medium/large corporations, I cannot remember a single one.  I will acknowledge that conservative groups will try to raise a stink, but I think the Dems/MSM have effectively labeled them as all racist that no one pays attention to them anymore.

It's called the Church followed by your favorite daily televangelist. Re-education every day, as many times as you want. For kicks you can forcibly school your kids in this education, and if not, chances are the public textbooks are all written by groups that selectively edit and support this nonsense anyway (saw really fascinating documentary about that once). If you don't know who FotF and others are that's fine, the average Christian has no idea what's going on behind the scenes most of the time. If they did, they might be shocked.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

5 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

So in you work in the hospital, when have you ever been forced to take a re-education class based on a conservative group pushing a political position?

 

  Yeah, we get an anti-union one every year. A solid attempt at brainwashing. They don't schedule me for it anymore, since I kept giving objective opinions based on my actual real life experience with unions in the Canadian healthcare system. They aren't really going for an objective approach. 

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5 hours ago, yuna628 said:

It's called the Church followed by your favorite daily televangelist. Re-education every day, as many times as you want. For kicks you can forcibly school your kids in this education, and if not, chances are the public textbooks are all written by groups that selectively edit and support this nonsense anyway (saw really fascinating documentary about that once). If you don't know who FotF and others are that's fine, the average Christian has no idea what's going on behind the scenes most of the time. If they did, they might be shocked.

So people are forced to watch a televangelist?

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6 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Yeah, we get an anti-union one every year. A solid attempt at brainwashing. They don't schedule me for it anymore, since I kept giving objective opinions based on my actual real life experience with unions in the Canadian healthcare system. They aren't really going for an objective approach. 

Not really sure anti-union activism is only a Conservative position.  Quite a few left leaning capitalist tend to be anti-union.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

5 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Not really sure anti-union activism is only a Conservative position.  Quite a few left leaning capitalist tend to be anti-union.

 

   In general yes, but I was giving you a specific example. If you were to pick an anti-union activist group at random, you would be far more likely to find one taking a conservative position.

[yuna628 9,686]

4 hours ago, Dashinka said:

So people are forced to watch a televangelist?

Some people are, yes.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Dashinka said:

So people are forced to watch a televangelist?

Have you ever had dinner at my mother in law's? That passes for the before dinner happy hour.

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4 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

Have you ever had dinner at my mother in law's? That passes for the before dinner happy hour.

Um, no.  Still a choice though on your part.

8 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Some people are, yes.

 

 

At gunpoint?

[Lemonslice 4,912]

22 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Companies are being forced to promote and contribute to violent Leftist organization for fear of backlash from the Extreme Left.  You may find these groups palatable, but political extremism in any form is abhorrent.

Which companies are being forced to anything?  They barely comply with OSHA And labour laws...

Edited April 3, 2021 by Lemonslice

[laylalex 7,293]

Corporations are in the business of making money. They're not worried so much about political violence as not making more money when they take political stands. If there's more money in taking a socially conservative or socially liberal position, that's the one they'll take. Why? Because Milton Friedman basically laid it out that a corporation's sole responsibility is to its shareholders, and that's done by maximizing returns. And most corporations still stick to Friedman on this, because it tends to make the people at the top richer at the expense of greater returns to the company's workers, and society at large as it is affected by the corporation's activities (i.e. stakeholders). 

 

So if Coke or Delta decide they will make a statement on the Georgia voting law, that's a decision that they have decided is likely to make them more money than staying silent. Not every corporation will agree, because the calculus they perform shows that their value may or likely will dip if they make a similar stand. The kind of backlash that we see to these public statements is usually short-lived, and dents in sales (to take one example) usually pass as the outrage-o-meter points to another cause du jour. Whatever happened to "I will never shop at Target again because they no longer have boys' and girls' toy sections"? Seems Target's been doing pretty well. 

 

I have met more than a few CEOs/directors in my life and believe me, these are not exactly storm the barricades, Castro-hugging, Thomas Piketty-quoting radicals. They like money, and more of it. You try to do what makes more of it.

Edited April 3, 2021 by laylalex

[yuna628 9,686]

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

Corporations are in the business of making money. They're not worried so much about political violence as not making more money when they take political stands. If there's more money in taking a socially conservative or socially liberal position, that's the one they'll take. Why? Because Milton Friedman basically laid it out that a corporation's sole responsibility is to its shareholders, and that's done by maximizing returns. And most corporations still stick to Friedman on this, because it tends to make the people at the top richer at the expense of greater returns to the company's workers, and society at large as it is affected by the corporation's activities (i.e. stakeholders). 

 

So if Coke or Delta decide they will make a statement on the Georgia voting law, that's a decision that they have decided is likely to make them more money than staying silent. Not every corporation will agree, because the calculus they perform shows that their value may or likely will dip if they make a similar stand. The kind of backlash that we see to these public statements is usually short-lived, and dents in sales (to take one example) usually pass as the outrage-o-meter points to another cause du jour. Whatever happened to "I will never shop at Target again because they no longer have boys' and girls' toy sections"? Seems Target's been doing pretty well. 

 

I have met more than a few CEOs/directors in my life and believe me, these are not exactly storm the barricades, Castro-hugging, Thomas Piketty-quoting radicals. They like money, and more of it. You try to do what makes more of it.

And Delta still decided that the risk was worth it even in the face of being essentially punished by the Georgia House that passed a bill punishing Delta for their free speech. https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/04/01/georgia-house-passes-bill-stripping-delta-of-a-multimillion-tax-break-after-it-slammed-the-states-new-voting-restrictions/?sh=750e5f634a42 So I get it, a company can only have freedom of speech and enterprise unless they support the blackmailing policies of certain politicians. A company must stay silent if they want more money... hmmm. The comments I have seen this week from pearl clutching politicians is interesting. A party that used to be pro-business and freedom of speech sure behaves so strangely when it's on select subjects. This is the same mindset against social media platforms. Suddenly a business cannot have their own rules on their own property. Your employer now cannot send you for training classes to promote however they want their own employees to be or hold an employee to a set of standards. And even more strangely, a person is powerless to now use free market economics by taking their goods and services elsewhere, or looking for new employment. 

 

Yes indeed, up is down and down is up on Earth 2.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 hours ago, laylalex said:

Corporations are in the business of making money. They're not worried so much about political violence as not making more money when they take political stands. If there's more money in taking a socially conservative or socially liberal position, that's the one they'll take. Why? Because Milton Friedman basically laid it out that a corporation's sole responsibility is to its shareholders, and that's done by maximizing returns. And most corporations still stick to Friedman on this, because it tends to make the people at the top richer at the expense of greater returns to the company's workers, and society at large as it is affected by the corporation's activities (i.e. stakeholders). 

 

So if Coke or Delta decide they will make a statement on the Georgia voting law, that's a decision that they have decided is likely to make them more money than staying silent. Not every corporation will agree, because the calculus they perform shows that their value may or likely will dip if they make a similar stand. The kind of backlash that we see to these public statements is usually short-lived, and dents in sales (to take one example) usually pass as the outrage-o-meter points to another cause du jour. Whatever happened to "I will never shop at Target again because they no longer have boys' and girls' toy sections"? Seems Target's been doing pretty well. 

 

I have met more than a few CEOs/directors in my life and believe me, these are not exactly storm the barricades, Castro-hugging, Thomas Piketty-quoting radicals. They like money, and more of it. You try to do what makes more of it.

 

  I might be stealing that line. 

 

  NB never tells me when he steals my stuff, so I just wanted you to hear it from me.