A River of Doubt Runs Through Mail Voting in Montana

[Dashinka 24,629]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  It's never been about proving one's identity to vote. It's been about the restrictions or barriers put in place to do so. Maybe what we should be looking at is why a state passes a law allowing concealed carry permits to be used as voter ID, but decides university student ID's cannot be used to vote. There's a reason certain states have been doing this and it's the same reason so many of these laws end up getting struck down in the end. They are discriminatory.

Hmm, maybe it has something to do with University IDs not being standard from school to school, but whatever, pearl clutching is in vogue.

[TBoneTX 45,572]

4 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

if conservatives hadn't already spent so many years and so many different ways attempting to suppress peoples votes

Would be really interested to see citations for ten, or half a dozen, of these, within recent years and with objective proof and verification.

 

I do remember the Philadelphia-area (?) precincts where the New Black Panthers or whomever intimidated voters into not voting; perhaps this is one instance, to start you off.

 

And just recently, in some swing states, 100% of ballots were submitted in large bunches for one candidate; perhaps this is another instance.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

16 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

 

And just recently, in some swing states, 100% of ballots were submitted in large bunches for one candidate; perhaps this is another instance.

 

 

 

  Systematically correcting inconsistencies with ballots is a real issue to resolve. Going on about debunked voter fraud misinformation is not. There's no sense continuing if you're going to keep repeating that one. There are no real solutions to an imaginary problem.

[yuna628 9,686]

9 hours ago, Dashinka said:

And all the amendments are being restricted in some fashion.  Heck, if the Dems pass a huge voting takeover law where elections will be federalized, the 10th amendment would be the same as toilet paper.  I do love the Dems trashing voter ID laws and saying they are essentially racist, are they saying minorities are not capable of getting some form of ID that they need for almost all other federal or state programs such as buying a firearm, or applying for student aid?

Many minorities, elderly, and yes even young people have had through a variety of circumstances and archaic state law difficulty to impossibility obtaining an ID. They would be unable to get an ID for any reason, let alone for voting. I have seen it firsthand.

[Dashinka 24,629]

21 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Many minorities, elderly, and yes even young people have had through a variety of circumstances and archaic state law difficulty to impossibility obtaining an ID. They would be unable to get an ID for any reason, let alone for voting. I have seen it firsthand.

So fix the state laws that are keeping these folks from being able to get a DL or state ID.  

[Steeleballz 7,550]

9 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

So fix the state laws that are keeping these folks from being able to get a DL or state ID.  

 

  This is actually one option. Just make sure the cost and documentation are not prohibitive.

 

  Currently there are 8 states that charge more than $50 to get an ID, and that doesn't take into account the cost of getting the required documents to prove you qualify for the ID. That is a lot of money for many people. 

 

   It still doesn't address what to do with incomplete or inconsistent mail in ballots. Most of these are not fraud or lack of information, it's just people being sloppy filling out information.

Edited March 30, 2021 by Steeleballz

[Dashinka 24,629]

50 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  This is actually one option. Just make sure the cost and documentation are not prohibitive.

 

  Currently there are 8 states that charge more than $50 to get an ID, and that doesn't take into account the cost of getting the required documents to prove you qualify for the ID. That is a lot of money for many people. 

 

   It still doesn't address what to do with incomplete or inconsistent mail in ballots. Most of these are not fraud or lack of information, it's just people being sloppy filling out information.

The only way to fix that is education, but in the end the voter still has some responsibility.

[yuna628 9,686]

3 hours ago, Dashinka said:

So fix the state laws that are keeping these folks from being able to get a DL or state ID.  

I don't think states are interested. People been trying for years... it's almost like they want to make it intentionally stupid. Hmm....

[TBoneTX 45,572]

10 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

Systematically correcting inconsistencies with ballots is a real issue to resolve. Going on about debunked voter fraud misinformation is not. There's no sense continuing if you're going to keep repeating that one. There are no real solutions to an imaginary problem.

Still politely waiting for support of your earlier statement.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

26 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

Still politely waiting for support of your earlier statement.

 

  Hey, I feel your pain. I've been waiting 4 months for support of this widespread election fraud claim. I tried Google and all I see recently is Sidney Powell claiming "rationale people wouldn't believe her election fraud claims". I think that's actually going to be her legal defense.

 

 Your Google search is below. Pick which of the 13 million results is of most interest to you. I like the ones where the courts block the discriminatory ID laws, but there are other's to choose from. Nice article about a discriminatory voter ID law struck down in Texas is on page 2 of the search. Might be of interest to you.

 

  www.google.com/search?q=voter+ID+law+discriminatory

Edited March 31, 2021 by Steeleballz

[Ban Hammer 13,421]

On 3/30/2021 at 9:41 AM, Steeleballz said:

 

  It's never been about proving one's identity to vote. It's been about the restrictions or barriers put in place to do so. Maybe what we should be looking at is why a state passes a law allowing concealed carry permits to be used as voter ID, but decides university student ID's cannot be used to vote. There's a reason certain states have been doing this and it's the same reason so many of these laws end up getting struck down in the end. They are discriminatory.

yet the infringement on the 2A rights went by without a comment by you.  per the constitution, one must be a citizen to vote - how do you think one should prove being a citizen?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

yet the infringement on the 2A rights went by without a comment by you.  per the constitution, one must be a citizen to vote - how do you think one should prove being a citizen?

 

   I think you misunderstood. I'm not saying we shouldn't have to confirm our identity. I'm saying the process to do that can't be so restrictive to comply with that people lose their right. That applies to all rights. I wasn't advocating restricting 2A rights, I was making an analogy of how it relates, and I know the analogy doesn't work that well, but the point being we should be able to access our rights without running the risk of people being legitimately deprived by barriers that prevent them from doing so.

 

  I think the argument around stricter voting ID is contrived to an extent. It appears to be about having tougher ID laws to protect the integrity of the election, when there is little evidence of any voter fraud, and certainly if there is fraud, it isn't with in person voting. In practice, it has often been about restricting peoples access to voting by making the process more difficult. 

[Dashinka 24,629]

On 3/31/2021 at 5:56 PM, Steeleballz said:

 

   I think you misunderstood. I'm not saying we shouldn't have to confirm our identity. I'm saying the process to do that can't be so restrictive to comply with that people lose their right. That applies to all rights. I wasn't advocating restricting 2A rights, I was making an analogy of how it relates, and I know the analogy doesn't work that well, but the point being we should be able to access our rights without running the risk of people being legitimately deprived by barriers that prevent them from doing so.

 

  I think the argument around stricter voting ID is contrived to an extent. It appears to be about having tougher ID laws to protect the integrity of the election, when there is little evidence of any voter fraud, and certainly if there is fraud, it isn't with in person voting. In practice, it has often been about restricting peoples access to voting by making the process more difficult. 

So let’s take back to the current topic, how does the GA law actually restrict voting to anyone?  Btw, since voting fraud is so easy to do and make it look legal, it is hard to actually investigate, so it really comes down to perception.  One thing I actually agree with President Carter about is the fact that expanding mail in voting makes it much easier to perpetrate fraud that looks legal, not to mention the movement in many states to allow vote harvesting.

Edited April 2, 2021 by Dashinka

[Steeleballz 7,550]

5 hours ago, Dashinka said:

So let’s take back to the current topic, how does the GA law actually restrict voting to anyone?  Btw, since voting fraud is so easy to do and make it look legal, it is hard to actually investigate, so it really comes down to perception.  One thing I actually agree with President Carter about is the fact that expanding mail in voting makes it much easier to perpetrate fraud that looks legal, not to mention the movement in many states to allow vote harvesting.

 

  I think that applies to all rights. My daughter had a gun pulled on her last year by an older man who forgot he ordered a pizza. He got charged with felony menacing and will (hopefully) lose his right to have a firearm. He hasn't yet though. I can link the news article if you want, but he actually threatened to shoot her over it. We should treat voter fraud the same way. Vote illegally or break the law in some way that affects that specific right and you lose that right. We don't do these things because of someone's perception. 

 

  That you think there is a significant amount of voter fraud but have no proof carries the same amount of weight as you thinking the moon is made of green cheese but have no proof. Find some evidence of either and we can address the issue.

Edited April 2, 2021 by Steeleballz

[Dashinka 24,629]

4 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  I think that applies to all rights. My daughter had a gun pulled on her last year by an older man who forgot he ordered a pizza. He got charged with felony menacing and will (hopefully) lose his right to have a firearm. He hasn't yet though. I can link the news article if you want, but he actually threatened to shoot her over it. We should treat voter fraud the same way. Vote illegally or break the law in some way that affects that specific right and you lose that right. We don't do these things because of someone's perception. 

 

  That you think there is a significant amount of voter fraud but have no proof carries the same amount of weight as you thinking the moon is made of green cheese but have no proof. Find some evidence of either and we can address the issue.

Didn’t really answer my question though did it?