Giuliani cites Glasgow attack in call for immigration policy

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July 1, 2007

NEW ORLEANS (AP) — The car bomb scare in London and the attack Saturday at the Glasgow airport underscore the need for a strong immigration policy in the United States, Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani said Saturday.

Border security is critical to knowing who is entering the United States and who is at the borders, said Giuliani, who was mayor of New York at the time of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

Giuliani, who toured work to repair one of the canals where floodwalls broke during Hurricane Katrina, said government at all levels failed after that storm. He said he is accustomed to making government run more efficiently and believes he could do that as

president.

Giuliani was on his first trip to New Orleans as a presidential contender. He was last here in April 2006, for a tour of areas like the hard-hit Lower 9th Ward and a briefing on levee protection and coastal wetland restoration, campaign spokesman Elliott Bundy said.

Virtually no major Republican candidates have visited New Orleans, or Louisiana, in recent months. Sen. John McCain did, in August, before announcing his run for president. His was a fundraising appearance in Baton Rouge for GOP state candidates.

Several major Democratic candidates, including Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and former Sen. John Edwards, have visited– in some cases, repeatedly. Edwards announced his candidacy in a still-devastated New Orleans neighborhood in December.

After Saturday’s briefing, Giuliani planned to attend a private fundraiser in suburban Metairie, Bundy said.

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[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If the perpetrators turn out to be UK citizens - that doesn't really support his argument.

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NEW ORLEANS -- The car bomb scare in London and the attack Saturday at the Glasgow airport underscore the need for secure borders for the United States, Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani said Saturday.

"This is the United Kingdom," he said. "They have security that is at least equal to ours; they have intelligence services that have even had more experience with terrorism than ours has, you know, they have to be subjected to this. We're in an era in which we need to know everyone who's in the United States."

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Damn. I didn't think he was doing so well. But it is a FOX poll...

The latest Fox News poll has Rudy Giuliani still way out ahead.

Giuliani: 30%

McCain: 17%

Thompson: 15%

Gingrich: 8%

Romney: 8%

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[GaryC 7]

Damn. I didn't think he was doing so well. But it is a FOX poll...

The latest Fox News poll has Rudy Giuliani still way out ahead.

Giuliani: 30%

McCain: 17%

Thompson: 15%

Gingrich: 8%

Romney: 8%

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<gary pulls out his rep crystal ball> Giuliani will probably get the rep nod. There is a lot I like about him, but there is also some I don't like. I do think he will be tough on terror but some of his other views make me stop and question him.

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<gary pulls out his rep crystal ball> Giuliani will probably get the rep nod. There is a lot I like about him, but there is also some I don't like. I do think he will be tough on terror but some of his other views make me stop and question him.

You know I like him. I think he will have a hard time getting conservatives/middle America though. That's why I was shocked about his lead.

All the better for Hillary to win.

[peejay 327]

Rudy is pro-amnesty and would sign amnesty legislation in a New York minute just as fast as George Bush would.

We gotta give these people amnesty to bring them "out of the shadows" so we know who they are? Rudy has said as much. Ridiculous!

As if the well funded terrorists are going to come forward to be scrutinized. I doubt they would. Amnestying illegal aliens will not make our country safer. Securing the borders and enforcing the law will make our countrty safer.

Really...giving illegal aliens amnesty to find out who they are is about as stupid as the logic of giving amnesty to a thief to find out who committed a crime and then letting them keep the loot. There is no enforcement credibility going on with that kind of lame policy to deter illegal behavior.

Fund and enforce the law. Secure the border. Our country will not collapse economically if we do that. Give it a try. It hasn't been done since Eisenhower was president.

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I'm not sure Giuliani's claim makes a lot of sense, even if the terrorists turn out to be permanent residents, since I doubt we're going to require background checks before we sell nails and cars.

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peejay - I'm not too sure about what you said....

“There isn’t a mayor or public official in this country that is more strongly pro immigrant than I am. Including disagreeing with President Clinton when he signed an anti immigrant legislation about 2 or 3 years ago.” - Rudy Giuliani

That was then, this is now:

HH: They were, three of the Fort Dix six were in the country illegally. I’m not sure about the travel of the Kennedy Airport four. But did you think the recent draft immigration bill dealt seriously with this particular aspect of the problem of people in this country illegally who might be jihadists?

RG: Hugh, I came to the conclusion that it made it worse.

HH: How?

RG: I would have voted against it just on the grounds that we’re better off the way we are now than the change that we’re going to make, and we’re not in good shape right now. But if you look at what Congress passed, you know, last year, with the fence, technological fence, increase in Border Patrol, if anything, this bill would cut back on that. And the President is better off with the situation the way it is right now. I believe, and that was my second commitment, that you can end illegal immigration without anymore legislation. You have the authorization to build a big part of the fence. You can supplement that with a technological fence that would spot people and alert the Border Patrol to people coming over the border. You could use a border stat program like my compstat program to reduce crime, to strategically place the Border Patrol like we used to do with the police. And you could have a tamper-proof ID card for everyone, and a requirement that everybody that comes into the country has to be identified and in a database. And if you did that, and you did it consistently over a 12 to 18 month period, you’d come pretty close to ending illegal immigration at the border. And if we could show the American people that we could stop it at the border, then the rest of this stuff that’s being debated, I think you could come to a more reasonable accommodation about it. But right now, people look at the things that Ted Kennedy wants to do, and people who are compromising with him, and they say my goodness, I mean, this is just going to…if we don’t get control over our borders, this 12 million’s going to become 20 million.

HH: Among those 12 million are tens of thousands, according to the San Antonio Express News, of illegal immigrants from countries of interest, as the State Department calls them, countries with known jihadist networks. Should we have a separate category for illegals from those countries? Not because they’re all jihadist, but because there will be jihadist among them.

RG: You have to do, you have to have priorities in law enforcement, or in this kind of enforcement. And if there are areas of the world where there’s more of a tendency to produce people that are going to come here and kill us, and hurt us and destroy us, that’s a realistic piece of intelligence, you’ve got to apply that in the way that you’re handling it. And the reality is, I mean, the Senate voted down a provision that would create priorities for illegals who commit a crime. I mean, I can’t imagine anybody doesn’t agree with this. Somebody comes here illegally, and then they commit a crime, shouldn’t they be thrown out of the country immediately?

HH: Well, I agree with that. I’m just wondering if we have to get serious, and that political correctness prevents us from being serious about people from countries with jihadist networks.

RG: I don’t think we’re even close to that point, meaning the situation is so confused with the immigration service, that they’re not able to set priorities like that. Should they be able to do it? Yes, you’re absolutely right. They should be able to do it. They should be able to take intelligence that suggests that from one part of the world, there’s substantially more danger than from another, and apply it. That’s good law enforcement. That’s like a police officer saying when somebody describes the criminal as being six foot tall, you don’t go looking for somebody who’s five foot five.

-Hugh Hewitt Interview

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Rudy is pro-amnesty and would sign amnesty legislation in a New York minute just as fast as George Bush would.

We gotta give these people amnesty to bring them "out of the shadows" so we know who they are? Rudy has said as much. Ridiculous!

As if the well funded terrorists are going to come forward to be scrutinized. I doubt they would. Amnestying illegal aliens will not make our country safer. Securing the borders and enforcing the law will make our countrty safer.

Really...giving illegal aliens amnesty to find out who they are is about as stupid as the logic of giving amnesty to a thief to find out who committed a crime and then letting them keep the loot. There is no enforcement credibility going on with that kind of lame policy to deter illegal behavior.

Fund and enforce the law. Secure the border. Our country will not collapse economically if we do that. Give it a try. It hasn't been done since Eisenhower was president.

Why, Peejay, when you are in the minority on this issue? Whoever is elected President should consider the voice of the people and that voice has been saying they are in favor of offering work visas to the millions of illegals who are here.

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Why, Peejay, when you are in the minority on this issue? Whoever is elected President should consider the voice of the people and that voice has been saying they are in favor of offering work visas to the millions of illegals who are here.

Steven, we are not going there again with your Z visa vs. Y visa misunderstandings.

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peejay - I'm not too sure about what you said....

Sure...not all of Rudy's ideas on immigration reform are bad. After all...he is a law and order type guy, but I don't care for his pro-amnesty stance or his stance that legal immigration should be dramatically increased to discourage illegal immigration.

On immigration reform he is not my candidate.

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Why, Peejay, when you are in the minority on this issue? Whoever is elected President should consider the voice of the people and that voice has been saying they are in favor of offering work visas to the millions of illegals who are here.

Steven, we are not going there again with your Z visa vs. Y visa misunderstandings.

Sorry, I don't want to derail this topic, but Peejay often interjects his views on illegal immigration into just about every thread or post.

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peejay - I'm not too sure about what you said....

Sure...not all of Rudy's ideas on immigration reform are bad. After all...he is a law and order type guy, but I don't care for his pro-amnesty stance or his stance that legal immigration should be dramatically increased to discourage illegal immigration.

On immigration reform he is not my candidate.

Is there any candidate who covers all bases a voter wants? I think not.

Sorry, I don't want to derail this topic, but Peejay often interjects his views on illegal immigration into just about every thread or post.

yeah, I know.

[peejay 327]

Rudy is pro-amnesty and would sign amnesty legislation in a New York minute just as fast as George Bush would.

We gotta give these people amnesty to bring them "out of the shadows" so we know who they are? Rudy has said as much. Ridiculous!

As if the well funded terrorists are going to come forward to be scrutinized. I doubt they would. Amnestying illegal aliens will not make our country safer. Securing the borders and enforcing the law will make our countrty safer.

Really...giving illegal aliens amnesty to find out who they are is about as stupid as the logic of giving amnesty to a thief to find out who committed a crime and then letting them keep the loot. There is no enforcement credibility going on with that kind of lame policy to deter illegal behavior.

Fund and enforce the law. Secure the border. Our country will not collapse economically if we do that. Give it a try. It hasn't been done since Eisenhower was president.

Why, Peejay, when you are in the minority on this issue? Whoever is elected President should consider the voice of the people and that voice has been saying they are in favor of offering work visas to the millions of illegals who are here.

Your opinion only. I do not believe a vast majority of Americans think that rewarding illegal aliens for flipping the middle finger at our laws is the right thing to do. You know good and well that Bush/McKennedy Immigration reform was a massive amnesty for almost all the illegal aliens in the country and whomever else could scam/cheat their way into it by illegally immigrating later...even in the timeframe while it would have been implemented. Fraudsters and cheaters could care less about obeying the law. Before or after.

The American people are tired of that horsesh*t. They want the laws enforced and the border secured. Not more lame "up front" blanket amnesties and pie in the sky promises of future illegal alien crackdowns that never happen.

No...Americans have seen 7 illegal alien amnesties come and go without any of the lame promises of border enforcement and law enforcement being kept.

I'm not in the minority in this! Prove otherwise!