Do lockdowns work? Florida sees similar COVID numbers as California

[Crazy Cat 42,263]

II thought this was an interesting discussion by Dr. Marc Siegel.

 

 

[TBoneTX 46,113]

Not just lockdowns, but masks:

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817

[Crazy Cat 42,263]

9 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Not just lockdowns, but masks:

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817

Maybe they should have worn 2 masks.... like Fauci said.  

[Steeleballz 7,550]

9 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Not just lockdowns, but masks:

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817

 

  

[Crazy Cat 42,263]

Follow the science.....unless it doesn't fit the narrative.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 minute ago, Lucky Cat said:

Follow the science.....unless it doesn't fit the narrative.

 

    There are thousands of studies on mask efficacy. You should take a look at a representative sampling of the data. I agree, never just pick the one that fits your narrative. People will see right through that. 

[Dashinka 24,786]

12 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    There are thousands of studies on mask efficacy. You should take a look at a representative sampling of the data. I agree, never just pick the one that fits your narrative. People will see right through that. 

There are also a lot of studies regarding schools needing to be open.  For some reason many of the teachers unions ignore them.

[Lil bear 4,324]

10 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Not just lockdowns, but masks:

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817

Look at Australia and New Zealand  if you want to know if lockdowns, masking and social distancing works. Oh yes they work. Australia a country of 26 million people ... Zero community cases .. unemployment dropping quickly , economy on a great upward trend , safe normal life returning every day .. but it’s not the half hearted lockdown or other measures that we have here. It’s been costly and taken a lot of support from govt to enable people to get tested, stay home while waiting for results , stay isolated and quarantined as requested. .. support those who have no paid leave to fall back on ..... it’s taken cooperation acceptance and trust by the community .. people don’t “like” it for sure .. but the results speak powerfully for themselves. And that’s in a country with a very robust democratic process with economic foundations like the US

Yes these things work when done with cooperation and intent 

Rant over ! 🤪

[Dashinka 24,786]

23 minutes ago, Lil bear said:

Look at Australia and New Zealand  if you want to know if lockdowns, masking and social distancing works. Oh yes they work. Australia a country of 26 million people ... Zero community cases .. unemployment dropping quickly , economy on a great upward trend , safe normal life returning every day .. but it’s not the half hearted lockdown or other measures that we have here. It’s been costly and taken a lot of support from govt to enable people to get tested, stay home while waiting for results , stay isolated and quarantined as requested. .. support those who have no paid leave to fall back on ..... it’s taken cooperation acceptance and trust by the community .. people don’t “like” it for sure .. but the results speak powerfully for themselves. And that’s in a country with a very robust democratic process with economic foundations like the US

Yes these things work when done with cooperation and intent 

Rant over ! 🤪

So another comparison, and Australia and New Zealand had the benefit of being able to severely limit international arrivals.  I am not really sure this could have happened in the US, and since the Federal government is very limited in what it can do, and the power is and should be left to the local level.  I do know my good friend from Australia and his brother were not able to get there to see their widowed father at all in the last year, and hearing the ordeal their father had to go through to actually get to work crossing the Vic/NSW border was quite interesting.  Anyway, we see a lot of varied data from a lot of countries, and there are still a lot of huge unknowns.

[Lil bear 4,324]

49 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

So another comparison, and Australia and New Zealand had the benefit of being able to severely limit international arrivals.  I am not really sure this could have happened in the US, and since the Federal government is very limited in what it can do, and the power is and should be left to the local level.  I do know my good friend from Australia and his brother were not able to get there to see their widowed father at all in the last year, and hearing the ordeal their father had to go through to actually get to work crossing the Vic/NSW border was quite interesting.  Anyway, we see a lot of varied data from a lot of countries, and there are still a lot of huge unknowns.

I agree that it would not be  possible here but not because the principle of lockdowns and masking don’t work. .. rather that maintaining the levels needed to do what has been achieved are not simple easy or quick. It took Victoria 11 weeks of heavy restrictions to recover from 700 new daily cases to zero community infection. That’s in a state of 6 million people. 2  to 4 week lock downs can’t do that 

Yes my 92 yr old parents have found it difficult but it has kept them safe. There have been great challenges for all.    There will always be questions about “right” “ best “ optimum “ “ balance”.  No winners either way ., all come at a cost. B

[Dashinka 24,786]

14 minutes ago, Lil bear said:

I agree that it would not be  possible here but not because the principle of lockdowns and masking don’t work. .. rather that maintaining the levels needed to do what has been achieved are not simple easy or quick. It took Victoria 11 weeks of heavy restrictions to recover from 700 new daily cases to zero community infection. That’s in a state of 6 million people. 2  to 4 week lock downs can’t do that 

Yes my 92 yr old parents have found it difficult but it has kept them safe. There have been great challenges for all.    There will always be questions about “right” “ best “ optimum “ “ balance”.  No winners either way ., all come at a cost. B

Yes, freedom comes at a cost, and personal responsibility is key to that freedom.

[Lil bear 4,324]

19 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Yes, freedom comes at a cost, and personal responsibility is key to that freedom.

Australia certainly enjoys freedom !! Yes ! 

[Dashinka 24,786]

1 minute ago, Lil bear said:

Australia certainly enjoys freedom !! Yes ! 

I know, I was in Melbourne/Geelong/Warrnambool/Adelaide a few years ago, and I see they do not require people to wear footwear when walking through a mall.  

[Lil bear 4,324]

1 minute ago, Dashinka said:

I know, I was in Melbourne/Geelong/Warrnambool/Adelaide a few years ago, and I see they do not require people to wear footwear when walking through a mall.  

😂

[Ban Hammer 13,530]

11 minutes ago, Lil bear said:

Australia certainly enjoys freedom !! Yes ! 

does freedom include gun ownership?