Green Party's Baroness Jones suggests 6pm curfew for men

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https://news.sky.com/story/sarah-everard-green-partys-baroness-jones-suggests-6pm-curfew-for-men-12243194

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As peers debated domestic abuse legislation on Wednesday night, Baroness Jones said: "In the week that Sarah Everard was abducted and, we suppose, killed… I argue that, at the next opportunity for any bill that is appropriate, I might put in an amendment to create a curfew for men on the streets after 6pm.

"I feel this would make women a lot safer, and discrimination of all kinds would be lessened."

 

 

Big news story in the UK, not quite sure how discrimination would be lessened by discriminating against nearly half the population.

[yuna628 9,700]

Not really taking this person seriously, but it seems the psycho dude had a female accomplice?

[laylalex 7,300]

I have been following the story closely and yes, it does seem like the suspect's wife or female partner had a hand in some part of it (probably covering up afterwards). 

 

Of course a curfew for men is lunacy, but it's important I think to look at the comments in context because there is a greater message. If you scroll past the headline in the article, there is this:

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Baroness Jones, a former London deputy mayor, has also criticised the police's reported advice for women in south London to "not to go out alone" this week.

Former Labour deputy leader Harriet Harman also referred to the advice as MPs took part in a House of Commons debate to mark International Women's Day.

"Women know abduction and murder is just the worst end of a spectrum of everyday male threat to women," she told MPs on Thursday.

"When the police advise women, don't go out at night on their own, women ask why do they have to be subjected to an informal curfew?

"It is not women who are the problem here, it is men, and the criminal justice system fails women and lets men off the hook.

"Whether it is rape or whether it is domestic homicide, women are judged and blamed."

 

Why is the onus always on women to police their own movements, to do something that men can do with considerably less thought for their personal safety, when 9 times out of 10 when "bad stuff" happens walking home at night, that "bad stuff" comes from the hand of a man? We do not tell men not to go out alone at night, but we blithely tell women to cloister themselves for their own good. 

 

It's an absurd argument that there should be a curfew for men, just as it is for women. That's what the argument is here. 

[yuna628 9,700]

I don't think this lady was walking home in a particularly 'unsafe' area either or extremely late at night. She was doing what millions of Britons do every day to return home. Walking is a part of life compared to many in the US. So I think it is kind of silly for the police to somehow imply she shouldn't have been walking home, especially when they had dropped the ball entirely in picking this guy off the street (also how is this guy working that job!?). It's no different than poor Linda Stoltzfoos that was abducted in broad daylight in one of the least crime filled towns in America.

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26 minutes ago, laylalex said:

I have been following the story closely and yes, it does seem like the suspect's wife or female partner had a hand in some part of it (probably covering up afterwards). 

 

Of course a curfew for men is lunacy, but it's important I think to look at the comments in context because there is a greater message. If you scroll past the headline in the article, there is this:

Why is the onus always on women to police their own movements, to do something that men can do with considerably less thought for their personal safety, when 9 times out of 10 when "bad stuff" happens walking home at night, that "bad stuff" comes from the hand of a man? We do not tell men not to go out alone at night, but we blithely tell women to cloister themselves for their own good. 

 

It's an absurd argument that there should be a curfew for men, just as it is for women. That's what the argument is here. 

I would think the argument would be more of personal safety.   

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

I have been following the story closely and yes, it does seem like the suspect's wife or female partner had a hand in some part of it (probably covering up afterwards). 

 

Of course a curfew for men is lunacy, but it's important I think to look at the comments in context because there is a greater message. If you scroll past the headline in the article, there is this:

Why is the onus always on women to police their own movements, to do something that men can do with considerably less thought for their personal safety, when 9 times out of 10 when "bad stuff" happens walking home at night, that "bad stuff" comes from the hand of a man? We do not tell men not to go out alone at night, but we blithely tell women to cloister themselves for their own good. 

 

It's an absurd argument that there should be a curfew for men, just as it is for women. That's what the argument is here. 

 

  It seems like it might be a good idea for men with a history of domestic violence or violent criminal activity, but at the same time, I think a significant number of DV does occur in the home, so it's not necessarily making everyone safer. A better idea would be taking the actual crime more seriously and make the penalties (including jail time) more significant, both as a deterrent and to get offenders off the street and away from their victims. I would generally rather see punishments met for people who are actually guilty of something.

 

   On the other hand, it's interesting to contemplate world history if there was a 6 PM curfew for men. I imagine we might be in a much better place.

 

  

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There was the rape incident in a female Swedish Prison so not sure how you would stop that.

Just walked back in and had the radio on and still being talked about, on LBC. BBC this morning.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

3 minutes ago, Boiler said:

There was the rape incident in a female Swedish Prison so not sure how you would stop that.

Just walked back in and had the radio on and still being talked about, on LBC. BBC this morning.

 

  Chemical castration works fairly well, and is reversible if the offender can be rehabilitated.

[Ban Hammer 13,486]

another example of why we americans have the second amendment.

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This is about stopping it from happening not punishing afterwards

 

Seems a Welsh politician is also on side.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

4 minutes ago, Boiler said:

This is about stopping it from happening not punishing afterwards

 

Seems a Welsh politician is also on side.

 

    As we have seen during the pandemic, keeping people at home is not really a step to reducing domestic violence or related crimes. Making penalties for DV consistent and severe actually does work towards stopping it. One of the issues we really have is that penalties are not enough, especially for first time offenders.

 

   

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Reminds me of watching the evening news in Costa Rica recently and they showed security cam footage of a young woman being mugged as she walked down the street, and the police officials’ statement to the public was to stress that people shouldn’t carry valuable items like cell phones around with them.  Seriously.  I was so enraged at that BS response I wanted to punch the tv.  Thank god people are forced to pay taxes to employ the police to tell them to simply not own things in order to not be victims of theft. /s 🤦‍♀️ 

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On 3/12/2021 at 2:50 PM, Steeleballz said:

a 6 PM curfew

The French have a 6 PM curfew for everyone, because that's when the coronavirus comes out every day.