US Immigration Act of 2021 (proposed)

[Boiler 45,313]

11 minutes ago, davidvs said:

Also, I believe the bill would need 60 votes in the Senate. I highly doubt they could get 10 Republicans to vote for the full bill. 

 

 

I think this is a case of throw everything into the bill and negotiate down to what is acceptable for both sides. There is a lot that I like about the bill, but also a lot that goes a bit too far for me.

If you were looking to negotiate you would not start from here, what is there to negotiate?

[Dashinka 24,372]

1 hour ago, JeanneAdil said:

With Democrats in control of the House and a Democrat the tie breaking vote in Senate,  there is no reason for it not to pass

 

But for many illegals that work in the fields picking crops and are migrant workers,  they will have issues like a consistent address and the funds to pay for a green card.  It will still be hard for them to document themselves / along with being afraid to come forward and go thru the process as they have seen others tricked into thinking they could do this (in the past) and when they tried,  they were deported

 

So,  the bill can pass but it is gonna take more than just this bill to document all illegals

I think it would have to qualify as a budget reconciliation bill to get past the Senate filibuster rule assuming that rule is not changed.

[davidvs 336]

51 minutes ago, Boiler said:

If you were looking to negotiate you would not start from here, what is there to negotiate?

You negotiate downward. This bill is asking for the world... I think they would be happy if they got half of it.

 

For example, this is doing bare minimum for southern border security... plenty of room to let the republicans ask (and get) more. Also, there's room for the democrats to give up certain items in the bill and still save face.

 

The question is, can the republicans get, and democrats give up enough that the will all be happy? I doubt it.

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3 hours ago, pm5k said:

Don't get me wrong, there are some good things in this bill, I just don't think it would pass as written.  Perhaps this is just to start the discussion.

No bills ever (ever) pas as it is written.

[doggieandsam 765]

1 hour ago, davidvs said:

Also, I believe the bill would need 60 votes in the Senate. I highly doubt they could get 10 Republicans to vote for the full bill. 

 

 

I think this is a case of throw everything into the bill and negotiate down to what is acceptable for both sides. There is a lot that I like about the bill, but also a lot that goes a bit too far for me.

Yes, this will be exactly what will happen. You have to start somewhere and then negotiate from there. Same here, I support immigration reform overall but some pieces of this bill are bonkers.

[MaleAlpha 314]

Easy way to pass this bill.

 

1. Get rid of the filibuster.

2. Pass the bill with a simple majority.

 

Best bill by the best president since President Obama.

Edited February 19, 2021 by MaleAlpha

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5 hours ago, pm5k said:

I guess that would be similar to the current adjustment of status process - the system assumes you are eligible (you can get an EAD, get ACA insurance, etc) until you are determined to be ineligible.

Ineligible and inadmissible are totally different though.

[usmsbow 801]

28 minutes ago, MaleAlpha said:

Easy way to pass this bill.

 

1. Get rid of the filibuster.

2. Pass the bill with a simple majority.

 

Best bill by the best president since President Obama.

 

At least one Dem senator (Manchin) has been quite explicit about wanting to keep the filibuster, so I don't think it's going to go away in the near future. If it were just him blocking it, there might be a chance, but Sinema also isn't so keen on getting rid of it. 

 

 

[African Zealot 1,455]

Some people seem butt hurt by this proposal, I am loving it. Joe Biden, you just might make me a Democrat with some of your policies. Just don’t go overboard and open the southern border to be overrun by every wall jumper like you’re planning to do.

 

This is a good bill, negotiate it down and pass it. No point having 11 million illegals/undocumented in the system when there’s zero prospect of deporting even a quarter of them. Legalize the otherwise law abiding ones and throw the criminals onto the next plane back to whichever native land they came from.

 

Losing elections should have consequences, ram it down republicans (the racist ones) throats! 😂🤣😂

Edited February 19, 2021 by African Zealot

[GringoHombre 3]

2 hours ago, usmsbow said:

 

At least one Dem senator (Manchin) has been quite explicit about wanting to keep the filibuster, so I don't think it's going to go away in the near future. If it were just him blocking it, there might be a chance, but Sinema also isn't so keen on getting rid of it. 

 

 

We'll see what happens there, at some point if Republicans are blocking absolutely everything (which is their MO) I imagine Manchin/Sinema will vote to abolish the filibuster under the pretense that they will be the ones to keep dems in check.

[Boiler 45,313]

Did not the Des spend 4 years blocking everything.

 

I ams sure they're aware that thisbworks both ways and that when they are in the minority it will bite them.

[MaleAlpha 314]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

Did not the Des spend 4 years blocking everything.

 

I ams sure they're aware that thisbworks both ways and that when they are in the minority it will bite them.

Republicans spent 8 years blocking everything by Obama.

If anything, Nancy Pelosi and the Dems single handedly engineered the first Covid-19 bill. Republicans were too busy worshipping their master - you know who. No wonder they lost the election.

 

...and by the way, if this past election is an indicator of anything, it tells us the country wants to lean heavily LEFT. If I was Joe Biden, I'm removing all the brakes towards a full head-on left dive.

Green New Deal, Immigration Reform, Student Loan forgiveness, Tax reform and everything in between. Go Biden and Harris!

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6 hours ago, MaleAlpha said:

Best bill by the best president since President Obama.

Obviously smoking something but ok...

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

4 hours ago, African Zealot said:

Some people seem butt hurt by this proposal, I am loving it. Joe Biden, you just might make me a Democrat with some of your policies. Just don’t go overboard and open the southern border to be overrun by every wall jumper like you’re planning to do.

Losing elections should have consequences, ram it down republicans (the racist ones) throats! 😂🤣😂

You do realize that this will encourage illegal immigration right? He cares nothing about Legal Immigrants. Also I don't know why you think all Republicans are racists when the reality is far from that. 

[XenophiliusPDX 50]

I think the strategy is basically put out the dream list, work your way down. Put in things you claim are important to you that you can trade away in compromise... i.e. "table fodder." I'm just hoping that they didn't go so far as to push just an all out refusal to compromise because the bill is too far outside of the realm of bipartisan. Yes, it will require a 60-vote threshold if any senator submits an intent to filibuster (can anyone still remember the days when every single bill didn't get an intent to filibuster and you could pass things with a simple majority even though the filibuster was something that a senator could do? and now they don't even have to do it, they just have to say they intend to do.) It's not a budget bill, it can't be taken up under existing Reconciliation rules. This is the United States where it is well known that getting a majority of votes does not declare a winner. Good or bad, that's the facts. 

 

There's some really good stuff in this bill. There's some stuff that I think could/should be walked back or killed in committee. Haven't read the bill in its entirety, just a few highlight stories/posts/videos, but so far I haven't heard anyone discuss changes to the Public Charge situation, maybe because it is largely regulatory not legislative. None the less, VERY excited to see a proposal, and maybe even bipartisan work, on providing a path to legal residency. I work with a few people who have known no other home in their memory that my town who have lived for too long without status and fearing deportation. One guy didn't even know he was undocumented until adulthood. Providing stability and welcome to some of these folks will strengthen our communities, make them safer, and give these folks who were not responsible for their relocation to the States an opportunity to truly call this place home. I know that's controversial and I can see where and why some will disagree, but speaking only for myself, I'm excited about that.