RFE - US citizen proof + relationship proof

[LibertyBears 22]

We got a RFE for proof of petioner's US citizen proof, despite us sending a scanned copy of his birth certificate front and back ...
We are confused by this but we are assuming maybe it wasn't clear enough or something ? 😕

We are going to send a copy of his passport along with the physical official copy from usa.gov 

Hope this will be enough?
 

We also got a RFE for proof of bonafide relationship

(we had received different perspectives on this regarding too much or too little information.

Received advice that as UK is not a high fraud country we only need to hit the minimum requirements which is proof of having met in last two years)

 

our packet originally contained 
- proof of having met in last two years 
- beneficiary passport stamps of my entry into US (passport photo page, stamp page)

-hotel receipts with both our names and payment addresses

-receipts at the same place with both our payments and name

-photos together on christmas and new years, photos with petitioners friends and family.

 

is there a reason they asked for more evidence?

we have compiled a big file now with:
facetime records
whatsapp messages
gifts we've sent to each other
more receipts
more photos
more selfies together
handwritten letters to each other
declaration of how we met
affidavit of bonafide relationship written by petitioners mother to acknowledge our relationship and intent to marry

Another letter of intent to marry with present date.

Ongoing proof of maintaining a long distance relationship with more gifts sent to one another and continuous facetime call records

 

I thought all of this was secondary evidence though in comparison to the passport stamps and flight proof .. 

We are very confused.

 

Will be grateful for any advice or insight.

Is there anything else we should be adding ?

 

 

There is no evidence of financial support as he does not financially support me at the moment

There are no concrete wedding plans due to Covid-19 

There are no subsequent visits due to Covid-19

We explain all of that in the "declaration of how we met".. hope they can understand that it has no been possible to visit since submitting the i-129F

Also added that we communicate in english... even though US and UK primary language is english .. we found this strange it's added. 

Unsure if it's due to the fact that my last name is foreign. Hoping that it's just us overthinking there and it's a copy and paste for all RFE bona fide intent to marry 

 

 

Edited February 17, 2021 by LibertyBears

[SteveInBostonI130 3,482]

8 minutes ago, LibertyBears said:

 

We also got a RFE for proof of bonafide relationship

(we had received different perspectives on this regarding too much or too little information.

Received advice that as UK is not a high fraud country we only need to hit the minimum requirements which is proof of having met in last two years)

 

 

 

 

 

Hi,

 

USCIS is not asking for proof of bona fide relationship, per se.  They are asking for proof of intent to marry.  Did you include a signed statement from each of you that you intend to marry one another within 90 days after entering the US on a K1 visa?   That signed letter(s) is a key requirement. 

[Nitas_man 3,100]

18 minutes ago, LibertyBears said:

We got a RFE for proof of petioner's US citizen proof, despite us sending a scanned copy of his birth certificate front and back ...
We are confused by this but we are assuming maybe it wasn't clear enough or something ? 😕

We are going to send a copy of his passport along with the physical official copy from usa.gov 

Hope this will be enough?
 

We also got a RFE for proof of bonafide relationship

(we had received different perspectives on this regarding too much or too little information.

Received advice that as UK is not a high fraud country we only need to hit the minimum requirements which is proof of having met in last two years)

 

our packet originally contained 
- proof of having met in last two years 
- beneficiary passport stamps of my entry into US (passport photo page, stamp page)

-hotel receipts with both our names and payment addresses

-receipts at the same place with both our payments and name

-photos together on christmas and new years, photos with petitioners friends and family.

 

is there a reason they asked for more evidence?

we have compiled a big file now with:
facetime records
whatsapp messages
gifts we've sent to each other
more receipts
more photos
more selfies together
handwritten letters to each other
declaration of how we met
affidavit of bonafide relationship written by petitioners mother to acknowledge our relationship and intent to marry

Another letter of intent to marry with present date.

Ongoing proof of maintaining a long distance relationship with more gifts sent to one another and continuous facetime call records

 

I thought all of this was secondary evidence though in comparison to the passport stamps and flight proof .. 

We are very confused.

 

Will be grateful for any advice or insight.

Is there anything else we should be adding ?

 

 

There is no evidence of financial support as he does not financially support me at the moment

There are no concrete wedding plans due to Covid-19 

There are no subsequent visits due to Covid-19

We explain all of that in the "declaration of how we met".. hope they can understand that it has no been possible to visit since submitting the i-129F

Also added that we communicate in english... even though US and UK primary language is english .. we found this strange it's added. 

Unsure if it's due to the fact that my last name is foreign. Hoping that it's just us overthinking there and it's a copy and paste for all RFE bona fide intent to marry 

 

 

You’re good.  That’s a massive pile of evidence LOL but they asked for it

[LibertyBears 22]

9 minutes ago, SteveInBostonI130 said:

 

Hi,

 

USCIS is not asking for proof of bona fide relationship, per se.  They are asking for proof of intent to marry.  Did you include a signed statement from each of you that you intend to marry one another within 90 days after entering the US on a K1 visa?   That signed letter(s) is a key requirement. 

Yes we submitted the letters, one each, We thought the same that the letters would be enough ..

his stating:
"I, __________, do hereby state that I am legally able and willing to marry _______, and intend to do so within 90 days of her arrival into the US using the K1 visa"

mine stating:
"I, _________, do hereby state that I am legally able and willing to marry ________ and intend to do so within 90 days of my arrival into the US using the K1 visa"

we both signed them individually with wet signatures. I mailed him my letter with my wet signature and dated accordingly.

[SteveInBostonI130 3,482]

1 minute ago, LibertyBears said:

Yes we submitted the letters, one each, We thought the same that the letters would be enough ..

his stating:
"I, __________, do hereby state that I am legally able and willing to marry _______, and intend to do so within 90 days of her arrival into the US using the K1 visa"

mine stating:
"I, _________, do hereby state that I am legally able and willing to marry ________ and intend to do so within 90 days of my arrival into the US using the K1 visa"

we both signed them individually with wet signatures. I mailed him my letter with my wet signature and dated accordingly.

Odd.

 

Then I suggest a letter explaining how you met, the affidavits from your family members acknowledging the engagement, and photos/receipts of the engagement ring.  Along with a second version of your intent to marry letter(s).

 

There might be a chance that some of your attachments got lost, especially since they are asking for proof of citizenship.  

[AishaniA93 108]

See where they say 'a comprehensive statement explaining your relationship' maybe try describing your relationship a little more e.g. how you met, when you decided to date, when you decided to become engaged. Ours was about 3/4 of a page and then our itnent to marry was signed at the bottom of that. 

It's definitely confusing because there are many mixed pieces of advice on here. Being from Aus I was always under the impression that it is low-risk for fraud and therefore the application does not need to be SO iron-clad but it seems (rightly so) they want just as much evidence from us (as they should!). See if you can get friends or family who have also been in your presence as a couple to write a letter describing your circumstances of meeting. We got my sister, his brother my best friend and his best friend to write and sign a letter. 

Have you discussed getting married at all? COVID def has made it harder to plan a wedding but even just have a search through your chats and find the points where you talked about being engaged/getting married? 

At this point it is just time to beef up your application  Good luck! (The good news is this means someone has opened your file and is actively adjudicating it! Not long to go for you now )

 

[LibertyBears 22]

17 minutes ago, SteveInBostonI130 said:

Odd.

 

Then I suggest a letter explaining how you met, the affidavits from your family members acknowledging the engagement, and photos/receipts of the engagement ring.  Along with a second version of your intent to marry letter(s).

 

There might be a chance that some of your attachments got lost, especially since they are asking for proof of citizenship.  

Yes if they didn't get lost I'm worried that they already think we aren't bonafide from this RFE 

We have a two page letter that explains our relationship from how we met up to the present day. Includes the proposal and our feelings for one another, and all our trips and explains how we maintain long distance relationship.

We have an affidavit from my fiance's mother, I am going to also get my mother to write one too to add to the file.

will be adding another set of intent to marry letters

 

The engagement ring is his grandmother's so I can only take a photo of it, no receipts though...We never took a photo of it when we were physically together as it didn't fit and I saw it more as an heirloom so I kept it in the box. Would this appear strange to uscis ?  everything is worrying me again now as I know they're looking at our file under a magnifying glass. 

[LibertyBears 22]

22 minutes ago, AishaniA93 said:

See where they say 'a comprehensive statement explaining your relationship' maybe try describing your relationship a little more e.g. how you met, when you decided to date, when you decided to become engaged. Ours was about 3/4 of a page and then our itnent to marry was signed at the bottom of that. 

It's definitely confusing because there are many mixed pieces of advice on here. Being from Aus I was always under the impression that it is low-risk for fraud and therefore the application does not need to be SO iron-clad but it seems (rightly so) they want just as much evidence from us (as they should!). See if you can get friends or family who have also been in your presence as a couple to write a letter describing your circumstances of meeting. We got my sister, his brother my best friend and his best friend to write and sign a letter. 

Have you discussed getting married at all? COVID def has made it harder to plan a wedding but even just have a search through your chats and find the points where you talked about being engaged/getting married? 

At this point it is just time to beef up your application  Good luck! (The good news is this means someone has opened your file and is actively adjudicating it! Not long to go for you now )

 

Was that enough evidence to not get a RFE?
I think it also depends on the person looking at the file, some are also more strict than others.

 

Hopefully this will be enough evidence for us.. am incredibly worried.

[AishaniA93 108]

22 minutes ago, LibertyBears said:

Was that enough evidence to not get a RFE?
I think it also depends on the person looking at the file, some are also more strict than others.

 

Hopefully this will be enough evidence for us.. am incredibly worried.

We have not got our NOA1 yet (part of the huge backlog of people that filed in December 2020) but our lawyer explained to us that we just want to put as much evidence as possible in case of RFE you dont want to delay it further. Also ours was hampered a bit by the fact that he has not proposed in the sense got down on one knee. Being of Indian heritage, our customs are a bit different. He was due to propose in August 2020 on his next visit to Aus but our borders have been closed since March 2020 so we decided to file the K1 since a proposal is only really a nicety not a requirement. So our application was beefed up a bit this way to help that. 

It's tough having 100001 opinions from everyone who thinks they know better than everyone else. Put as much as you can and if you have a real and loving relationship, you will be fine have faith ❤️ Also how did you meet? If you met online you can put screenshots of evidence where you 'followed' or 'friended' each other since they say evidence of the timeline of the relationship. That may help too  

 

[In4theJourney 171]

5 minutes ago, AishaniA93 said:

 

It's tough having 100001 opinions from everyone who thinks they know better than everyone else. Put as much as you can and if you have a real and loving relationship, you will be fine have faith ❤️ Also how did you meet? If you met online you can put screenshots of evidence where you 'followed' or 'friended' each other since they say evidence of the timeline of the relationship. That may help too  

if met online, you have to send ToS on said service met to offset IMB. Person already RFE, details and facts matter. 

5 minutes ago, AishaniA93 said:

 

 

[AishaniA93 108]

5 minutes ago, In4theJourney said:

if met online, you have to send ToS on said service met to offset IMB. Person already RFE, details and facts matter. 

 

does it depend if they met on a dating site or any other site as well? 

[In4theJourney 171]

6 minutes ago, AishaniA93 said:

does it depend if they met on a dating site or any other site as well? 

Anything online I would personally send in. Print out and send in, of course, only if met online. 

[LibertyBears 22]

16 minutes ago, In4theJourney said:

if met online, you have to send ToS on said service met to offset IMB. Person already RFE, details and facts matter. 

 

I met him on an online game called old school runescape.

 

I have copied the terms and conditions along with the website link 

I assume terms and conditions are the same as terms of service? As i couldn't find anything stated "terms of service" on their website.

 

Better to have more than risk another RFE at this point

[LibertyBears 22]

29 minutes ago, AishaniA93 said:

It's tough having 100001 opinions from everyone who thinks they know better than everyone else. Put as much as you can and if you have a real and loving relationship, you will be fine have faith ❤️ Also how did you meet? If you met online you can put screenshots of evidence where you 'followed' or 'friended' each other since they say evidence of the timeline of the relationship. That may help too  

 

Yes we will also add that in thank you 

 

Did your friends/siblings hand write their letters or type it out and how long were the letters?

My fiances mother handwrote her letter and I plan to help her type it out for her to sign. It is roughly ten lines long but quite short and straight forward. 

 

Hope everything works out for you too by the way !

[AishaniA93 108]

10 minutes ago, LibertyBears said:

I met him on an online game called old school runescape.

 

I have copied the terms and conditions along with the website link 

I assume terms and conditions are the same as terms of service? As i couldn't find anything stated "terms of service" on their website.

 

Better to have more than risk another RFE at this point

I would assume so. I remember runescape! That takes me back haha. Well me and my fiance met on tumblr and I didn't think to put the TOS of that in there so an RFE is more likely headed our way in the future.