Biden Administration and more gun control, where will it go?

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Just now, Boiler said:

If the person is not the root cause what is?

All the persons?

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7 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

You didn't, but you connected their words and actions to an increase in gun sales which, if we believe the gun lobby, is not a driver of gun violence. Gun ownership <> gun violence (as per the gun lobby). 

 

I am glad we agree on addressing the root cause, I am not sure "the person" is the root cause, unless you have some insight into how we can identify and isolate who needs to be focused on. All people are not the cause, but certain people in certain situations are.

It’s pretty simple logic. As soon as there is talk of bans, the gun buying goes through the roof. People want to get in or get one more before it’s too late. Read the gun sales statistics for the past year or so, you may be shocked. 

When a drunk gets behind the wheel, do you think that alcohol should be more regulated? Or maybe cars? Or is the person responsible? I’m the odd man out in today’s world, I believe I am responsible for my own actions and choices.

And again, the media or politicians don’t care about the dozens shot every week in Chicago. No sensationalism there. 

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6 minutes ago, Boiler said:

If the person is not the root cause what is?

The gun, silly. 

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13 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

It’s pretty simple logic. As soon as there is talk of bans, the gun buying goes through the roof. People want to get in or get one more before it’s too late. Read the gun sales statistics for the past year or so, you may be shocked. 

So? Do more guns equal more gun violence? If not, do we care? 

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When a drunk gets behind the wheel, do you think that alcohol should be more regulated? Or maybe cars? Or is the person responsible? I’m the odd man out in today’s world, I believe I am responsible for my own actions and choices.

There are regulations on serving alcohol and if a bar continues to cross the risky line, laws and insurance companies will step in. If an individual is caught driving impaired, it will cost you and you may find yourself doing a breathalyzer to start your car. It's not like there are zero safeguards.

 

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And again, the media or politicians don’t care about the dozens shot every week in Chicago. No sensationalism there. 

I cannot argue that individual deaths don't have the impact that mass shootings have. I am not sure why deaths due to guns in Chicago are special compared to other areas.

Edited March 24, 2021 by CanAm1980

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29 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

So? Do more guns equal more gun violence? If not, do we care? 

There are regulations on serving alcohol and if a bar continues to cross the risky line, laws and insurance companies will step in. If an individual is caught driving impaired, it will cost you and you may find yourself doing a breathalyzer to start your car. It's not like there are zero safeguards.

 

I cannot argue that individual deaths don't have the impact that mass shootings have. I am not sure why deaths due to guns in Chicago are special compared to other areas.

There are already more guns than people in the country. Stop selling them tomorrow and gun violence will end, right? All the crazy people will disappear. 

 

There are more regulations on guns than there are on alcohol. Who needs a bar to get alcohol and drive drunk? Who needs a license to drive drunk? Who needs a license to drive period? 

 

And you can’t figure out why shootings in Chicago or any other large city don’t get much attention? Did you know that up until 5 years ago or so that Chicago residents weren’t allowed to carry a handgun? Yet there were hundreds of shooting deaths every year. I wonder how that could be? Hmmmmm.....

 

 

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40 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

There are already more guns than people in the country. Stop selling them tomorrow and gun violence will end, right? All the crazy people will disappear. 

I am not trying to make the case that increases in gun sales = increases in gun violence. You said that actions by Biden and Obama increased gun sales, I don't know why we would care if those folks are mentally fit and well trained.

 

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There are more regulations on guns than there are on alcohol. Who needs a bar to get alcohol and drive drunk? Who needs a license to drive drunk? Who needs a license to drive period? 

If driving drunk is outlawed, only unlicensed drunks will drive? 

 

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And you can’t figure out why shootings in Chicago or any other large city don’t get much attention? Did you know that up until 5 years ago or so that Chicago residents weren’t allowed to carry a handgun? Yet there were hundreds of shooting deaths every year. I wonder how that could be? Hmmmmm.....

 

 

No I don't know the history of gun regulation of Chicago. Do they have more or less mass shootings?

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1 hour ago, CanAm1980 said:

Do they have more or less mass shootings?

Tally the number of daily deaths-by-shooting in Chicago, and let's ask ourselves whether those totals approach, equal, or surpass the deaths from any one mass shooting that has grabbed the news headlines.

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6 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

I am not trying to make the case that increases in gun sales = increases in gun violence. You said that actions by Biden and Obama increased gun sales, I don't know why we would care if those folks are mentally fit and well trained.

 

If driving drunk is outlawed, only unlicensed drunks will drive? 

 

No I don't know the history of gun regulation of Chicago. Do they have more or less mass shootings?

Drunk driving is already against the law. Owning an illegal gun is against the law. Some people don’t follow the law. And you don’t think the person is the problem? What’s worse, ten individuals getting killed in separate incidents daily or 10 in one event? The number killed in separate incidents is many times higher than the mass incidents. 

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11 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

I just wish the gun lobby would show as much respect for the victims mass shootings as they do for their desire to empty a magazine at the range. 

 

that just doesn't sound right.

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11 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

So? Do more guns equal more gun violence? If not, do we care? 

There are regulations on serving alcohol and if a bar continues to cross the risky line, laws and insurance companies will step in. If an individual is caught driving impaired, it will cost you and you may find yourself doing a breathalyzer to start your car. It's not like there are zero safeguards.

 

I cannot argue that individual deaths don't have the impact that mass shootings have. I am not sure why deaths due to guns in Chicago are special compared to other areas.

Where are the regulations for selling someone a smartphone?

Edited March 24, 2021 by Dashinka

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8 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

Drunk driving is already against the law. Owning an illegal gun is against the law. Some people don’t follow the law. And you don’t think the person is the problem? What’s worse, ten individuals getting killed in separate incidents daily or 10 in one event? The number killed in separate incidents is many times higher than the mass incidents. 

These killings didn't come from an illegal gun, unless there is new info

 

 

I don't think all people are the problem, even the shooters in these cases were not raised to kill, what triggers these events?

 

How you can tell these two young men, who purchased very close to the time of attack from ever other young man who chooses to purchase a gun? If we could go back in time we would not let the purchase go through, but do we know what they would look like if they walked into a gun shop?

 

You can say they,or their families,  should have taken responsibility for the situation but that doesn't bring back the dead.

 

My issue the the gun lobby is that there is zero compromise on the topic of reforming the background check, magazine sizes and a host of other issues. Isn't there room to at least let the local law enforcement review the application? Can't the default be a 7 day wait unless there is a personal protection issue?

Edited March 24, 2021 by CanAm1980

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8 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

Can't the default be a 7 day wait unless there is a personal protection issue?

Why should there be a wait if the background check is clear?  I haven't purchased a gun in a few years (2014-2015, I think) , but I don't recall there being a wait...other than about 15 minutes to complete the BG check.

Edited March 24, 2021 by Lucky Cat

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6 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

My issue the the gun lobby is that there is zero compromise on the topic of reforming the background check, magazine sizes and a host of other issues. Isn't there room to at least let the local law enforcement review the application? Can't the default be a 7 day wait unless there is a personal protection issue?

that's because the gun lobby (and gun owners) are well aware of what happens when there is "reforms" "compromise" "common sense gun control" and other infringements upon their rights as citizens.

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2 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

Why should there be a wait if the background check is clear?  I haven't purchased a gun in a few years, but I don't recall there being a wait...other than about 15 minutes to complete the BG check.

Provide time for a more thorough check, possibly by local law enforcement who might have background on the applicant and to add a cooling of period if the applicant is in the wrong state of mind. Getting a first time owner into training wouldn't hurt.

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2 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

and to add a cooling of period if the applicant is in the wrong state of mind.

That is an infringement on my rights...an extra burden placed on a law abiding citizen......sounds like it is making assumptions about my state of mind.

Edited March 24, 2021 by Lucky Cat