Biden Administration and more gun control, where will it go?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

48 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Thank you. I have lost a friend to suicide in the past five years. I'm still furious with him every single day, even if I have so much compassion for why he thought he had to do it. He died from a single gunshot to the head. His estranged girlfriend found him the same day it happened. His suicide notes arrived by email a week later. He thought no one would notice he'd done it. He was wrong. He was loved and cherished and we all live with the pain of losing him. 50 of his friends gathered from around the country less than 48 hours after when the coroner said it was likely he'd killed himself. He was never alone, even if he thought he was.

 

A gun made it easier and more effective, but he had other routes. He had plenty of drugs in the home, and a lake of alcohol. But he didn't want to mess up, which is what he said in the note. He wanted out. 

 

I also have friends who have teetered on the edge and clung on to living in the world. They were just as bad in their despair as my friend who shot himself. But someone reached out at the right time, or the ping of connection to others resonated in them enough to instruct: one more day. Just one more day.

 

Please look out for the signs of someone on the edge. In retrospect, I should have seen something was massively wrong with my friend. He'd lost a brilliant career from drug abuse, lost his girlfriend because he pushed her away, lost his beloved dog, lost a beautiful home not far from my own in Pasadena, all in less than a year. He always said he was fine, but there was a hard edge to him, a bitterness I'd never known. It wasn't just all his losses, though. Unknown to all his friends, he'd had a misery of a childhood, tortured by his father. 30 years on the planet living with that pain was too much.

 

You can't stop someone from doing what they're set on doing, but you can throw hurdles in their path, maybe enough hurdles to remind them of how much they are loved. How they are important, and their lives are meaningful. I think of him every day. It's true he would have found a route some other way but a gun just made it easier. It's one of the reasons why I won't allow a handgun in the house. Ever.

 

  My friend's dad killed himself when we were kids, and the family always said he would have done it sooner or later. IDK, maybe he could have got help, but it was something that had come up several times before it actually happened. Another guy I went to school with committed suicide after his girlfriend broke up with him. He was drunk and depressed, but that wasn't something that had to happen. He could have got over it in time. 

 

  I don't bring up suicides as part of gun control, I'm not really sure how we got on that path, but more of a personal choice for people to make. I wouldn't have guns easily available if there were people in the house that had mental health or anger management issues.  

[Prizm123 1,086]

6 hours ago, laylalex said:

Thank you. I have lost a friend to suicide in the past five years. I'm still furious with him every single day, even if I have so much compassion for why he thought he had to do it. He died from a single gunshot to the head. His estranged girlfriend found him the same day it happened. His suicide notes arrived by email a week later. He thought no one would notice he'd done it. He was wrong. He was loved and cherished and we all live with the pain of losing him. 50 of his friends gathered from around the country less than 48 hours after when the coroner said it was likely he'd killed himself. He was never alone, even if he thought he was.

 

A gun made it easier and more effective, but he had other routes. He had plenty of drugs in the home, and a lake of alcohol. But he didn't want to mess up, which is what he said in the note. He wanted out. 

 

I also have friends who have teetered on the edge and clung on to living in the world. They were just as bad in their despair as my friend who shot himself. But someone reached out at the right time, or the ping of connection to others resonated in them enough to instruct: one more day. Just one more day.

 

Please look out for the signs of someone on the edge. In retrospect, I should have seen something was massively wrong with my friend. He'd lost a brilliant career from drug abuse, lost his girlfriend because he pushed her away, lost his beloved dog, lost a beautiful home not far from my own in Pasadena, all in less than a year. He always said he was fine, but there was a hard edge to him, a bitterness I'd never known. It wasn't just all his losses, though. Unknown to all his friends, he'd had a misery of a childhood, tortured by his father. 30 years on the planet living with that pain was too much.

 

You can't stop someone from doing what they're set on doing, but you can throw hurdles in their path, maybe enough hurdles to remind them of how much they are loved. How they are important, and their lives are meaningful. I think of him every day. It's true he would have found a route some other way but a gun just made it easier. It's one of the reasons why I won't allow a handgun in the house. Ever.

i feel your pain. ive lost people to it also.

[Prizm123 1,086]

5 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

  I don't bring up suicides as part of gun control, I'm not really sure how we got on that path,

its a conversation worth having though

same as spousal abuse and gun control, which has affected me personally

Edited February 22, 2021 by Prizm123

[Steeleballz 7,550]

3 hours ago, Prizm123 said:

its a conversation worth having though

same as spousal abuse and gun control, which has affected me personally

 

  We were discussing domestic violence at work a while back and someone was complaining that state law was too restrictive. He said all he had to do was shove his girlfriend and he could lose his guns forever. I don't think he ever would shove his girlfriend, he's always talking about gun rights and just came up with the example, but he got ripped a new one as much as I have ever seen for a discussion at work. I didn't say a whole lot (didn't have to), but it's always strange to me that there are people who see the "losing guns" part as the thing that's wrong with that scenario. Like maybe don't commit a violent criminal act and you don't have to worry about losing guns.

[nykolos 711]

Everyone who buys a gun buys one for different reasons, if we could only filter out those reasons the world would be a much safer place, Background checks is one way and the NRA has been onboard with it, But when leftist Politicians try to pass laws under the guise of "banning assault weapons"  so that they can add almost any hand carry semi-automatic firearm to the list,  such as a Sig Sauer or S&W that holds 15 rnds, that's when they lose both public and NRA support. 

 

 

[spookyturtle 9,466]

3 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  We were discussing domestic violence at work a while back and someone was complaining that state law was too restrictive. He said all he had to do was shove his girlfriend and he could lose his guns forever. I don't think he ever would shove his girlfriend, he's always talking about gun rights and just came up with the example, but he got ripped a new one as much as I have ever seen for a discussion at work. I didn't say a whole lot (didn't have to), but it's always strange to me that there are people who see the "losing guns" part as the thing that's wrong with that scenario. Like maybe don't commit a violent criminal act and you don't have to worry about losing guns.

I understand your point. There is no tolerance for domestic violence and spousal abuse.
Yet one can get arrested for dui and get their drivers  license back. And then do it again and get their drivers license back. Or get arrested for dui while ones firearms are locked in a safe at home and lose firearms license forever but get drivers license back again. 

[Ban Hammer 13,619]

3 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

Like maybe don't commit a violent criminal act and you don't have to worry about losing guns.

and some of us have been on the receiving end of false accusations and faced that in bold....

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 minute ago, spookyturtle said:

I understand your point. There is no tolerance for domestic violence and spousal abuse.
Yet one can get arrested for dui and get their drivers  license back. And then do it again and get their drivers license back. Or get arrested for dui while ones firearms are locked in a safe at home and lose firearms license forever but get drivers license back again. 

 

   DUI laws should be tougher. 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

12 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

and some of us have been on the receiving end of false accusations and faced that in bold....

 

   What do you suggest? If people have been falsely accused of a crime, do we stop prosecuting that crime altogether? 

[spookyturtle 9,466]

22 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   What do you suggest? If people have been falsely accused of a crime, do we stop prosecuting that crime altogether? 

If it saves one innocent person......

[Prizm123 1,086]

4 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   DUI laws should be tougher. 

they need to be draconian imo.

 

 

 

 

[spookyturtle 9,466]

House passed 2 gun control bills today. Are you sleeping? The Democrats are coming after legal gun owners. And there are other bills in the works. Remember, Joe said we’re coming after your AR-15’s. 

[Dashinka 24,848]

On 2/22/2021 at 7:39 PM, Prizm123 said:

they need to be draconian imo.

 

 

 

 

Don’t move to Seattle, all you have to do is claim to be an illegal alien to escape prosecution for a DUI.

[Neonred 3,664]

10 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

House passed 2 gun control bills today. Are you sleeping? The Democrats are coming after legal gun owners. And there are other bills in the works. Remember, Joe said we’re coming after your AR-15’s. 

OK, so I may not be towing the party line, but I am not opposed to valid background checks for gun purchases.  I've always had to do that.  Not so happy that the FBI would be able to take up to 10 days to complete them.  Here in FL I am exempt for any waiting period with my CC permit.

 

Waiting to see what truly damaging legislation will be coming.  Waiting periods and background checks for ammo?  End of online ammo sales?  Just can't imagine a true take away of firearms.  Scares me that some ill informed politicians try to classify any semi automatic weapon as an assault weapon.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 hours ago, Neonred said:

OK, so I may not be towing the party line, but I am not opposed to valid background checks for gun purchases.  I've always had to do that.  Not so happy that the FBI would be able to take up to 10 days to complete them.  Here in FL I am exempt for any waiting period with my CC permit.

 

Waiting to see what truly damaging legislation will be coming.  Waiting periods and background checks for ammo?  End of online ammo sales?  Just can't imagine a true take away of firearms.  Scares me that some ill informed politicians try to classify any semi automatic weapon as an assault weapon.

The vast majority of us legal gun owners are not opposed to background checks at all and it has always been the case as well. When I lived in CA and bought my first AK it took me over 30 days. That's because there the background check takes you at least 10 days and at most 30 days. After 30 days if the states has not sent word to the FFL in regards to what is going on then it is up that FFL if he/she/they want to release that firearm to you. It turns out in my case I had a 11 year old speeding ticket that I didn't take care off from Riverside county and that is what held everything up. But I have my CCW in NC and I am exempt from a waiting period for any firearm as well. 


The requirement for background check to buy ammo is a new thing by the Left in regards to making it harder to buy ammo. They can't legitimately go after guns so they will go after your ability to purchase ammo. See it is constitutional because you have your firearm but no ammo to shoot it