Zoom Wedding for CR-1

[SalishSea 17,829]

5 hours ago, krose said:

@Jorgedig - I totally get that. It did seem to help him get a visitor's visa though 🙂  I very much doubt he would have been approved if he were living back in his home country. That's also why I'm having a hard time judging how much frontloading we should do though (whether to base on nationality or processing embassy).  We'll probably do a little more frontloading than average just in case, but that's a whole different topic!

Most here would likely recommend erring on the side of high front loading, just as you would if he were interviewing in Senegal or another African country.

 

[Adventine 3,196]

@krose I agree with all the others who are discouraging you from doing a Zoom wedding. I just wanted to say that your way of responding is very diplomatic, measured and shows a mind open to honest feedback. On this site, people often get upset when they are told things that they don't want to hear. So good on you and good luck with filing the "traditional way", whether you choose a K1 or a CR1. 

Edited January 27, 2021 by Adventine

[HRQX 4,145]

9 hours ago, krose said:

For the bit highlighted in yellow, do we have any reason to believe it applies beyond proxy marriages, which is what it specifically mentioned? 

It's because INA 101(a)(35) is explicitly clear: "The term "spouse", "wife", or "husband" do not include a spouse, wife, or husband by reason of any marriage ceremony where the contracting parties thereto are not physically present in the presence of each other, unless the marriage shall have been consummated."

Edited January 27, 2021 by HRQX

[Coco8 1,042]

11 hours ago, Lucky Cat said:

...after the marriage is consummated (after the wedding). 

This consummation of the marriage makes me think of when people had to consummate a marriage in public so that it was legal 😅 

[HRQX 4,145]

10 hours ago, krose said:

Thanks so much for sharing that link. Seems like there was one success with having the marriage certificate recognized for travel and one that did not succeed. Certainly a risk!

In that thread the successful travel was into the Philippines. Not the US.

 

Only unsuccessful attempts have resulted when trying to use an online marriage as a loophole.

[Bug&Bug 147]

14 hours ago, Lucky Cat said:

Marriage, in itself, confers no immigration or visiting benefits.  In fact, it can harm chances of a tourist visa........seems that your friend is misinformed.

If you are in a currently banned country it does confer visitation rights.

[Alex Prijn 29]

6 hours ago, Coco8 said:

This consummation of the marriage makes me think of when people had to consummate a marriage in public so that it was legal 😅 

IKR? It's such an archaic concept. It's weird to see it in official legal documents. And it's pretty much unproveable unless you make a sex tape or have witnesses. 🕵️‍♂️

[Crazy Cat 41,851]

3 hours ago, Bug&Bug said:

If you are in a currently banned country it does confer visitation rights.

Not really.  It might allow exemption of the 14 day ban.  It does not guarantee entry into the US or the ability to visit inside the US. 

Edited January 27, 2021 by Lucky Cat

[Crazy Cat 41,851]

1 hour ago, Alex Prijn said:

IKR? It's such an archaic concept. It's weird to see it in official legal documents. And it's pretty much unproveable unless you make a sex tape or have witnesses. 🕵️‍♂️

Incorrect.  It simply means being in the same place at the same time...meeting....after the marriage.

Edited January 27, 2021 by Lucky Cat

[Crazy Cat 41,851]

7 hours ago, Coco8 said:

This consummation of the marriage makes me think of when people had to consummate a marriage in public so that it was legal 😅 

The term, here,  means being physically in the presence of each other after the ceremony. 

[Alex Prijn 29]

14 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

The term, here,  means being physically in the presence of each other after the ceremony. 

 

20 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

Incorrect.  It simply means being in the same place at the same time...meeting.

Good way to confuse potential immigrants. Giving a word in an official document a different meaning than the dictionaries.

[Crazy Cat 41,851]

57 minutes ago, Alex Prijn said:

 

Good way to confuse potential immigrants. Giving a word in an official document a different meaning than the dictionaries.

 That is not the case here, as shown in this dictionary.  I guess confusion might arise if a person has only a partial understanding of the definition.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/consummation

Quote:

"Consummation comes from the Latin verb consummare, which means to sum up or to finish. The moment when something is finished is its consummation. The consummation of a year's hard work might be when you use your earnings to finally achieve your dream of traveling to Africa. "  The noun consummation can also refer specifically to the first act of sexual intercourse after a marriage."

 

Edited January 27, 2021 by Lucky Cat

[payxibka 10,045]

1 hour ago, Alex Prijn said:

 

Good way to confuse potential immigrants. Giving a word in an official document a different meaning than the dictionaries.

If you want to moan and someone,  moan at the USCIS, as it is the term THEY chose to redefine. 

[Alex Prijn 29]

26 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

 That is not the case here, as shown in this dictionary.  I guess confusion might arise if a person has only a partial understanding of the definition.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/consummation

Quote:

"Consummation comes from the Latin verb consummare, which means to sum up or to finish. The moment when something is finished is its consummation. The consummation of a year's hard work might be when you use your earnings to finally achieve your dream of traveling to Africa. "  The noun consummation can also refer specifically to the first act of sexual intercourse after a marriage."

 

The moment a marriage is finished has historically to have sexual intercourse, which is to consummate the marriage. Your description doesn't change it.

 

6 minutes ago, payxibka said:

If you want to moan and someone,  moan at the USCIS, as it is the term THEY chose to redefine. 

It IS directed at the USCIS. It just so happens Lucky Cat deems the use of the term by the USCIS is defendable, but I guess we have to agree to disagree on that subject.

[Crazy Cat 41,851]

4 minutes ago, Alex Prijn said:

The moment a marriage is finished has historically to have sexual intercourse, which is to consummate the marriage. Your description doesn't change it.

 

That wasn't my description.  That was direct quote from a dictionary.