Trump Leaving Office With 3M Less Jobs Than When He Entered, Worst Record Since Depression

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-leaving-office-3m-less-jobs-when-he-entered-worst-record-since-depression-1562737

Despite previous claims that he presided over the "greatest economy in the history of our country," Trump's economic legacy was crippled in the last year of his term because of the coronavirus.

The jobs report released by U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics on January 8 shows his employment record will be the worst in modern American history.

 

[B_J 2,752]

1 hour ago, CanAm1980 said:

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-leaving-office-3m-less-jobs-when-he-entered-worst-record-since-depression-1562737

Despite previous claims that he presided over the "greatest economy in the history of our country," Trump's economic legacy was crippled in the last year of his term because of the coronavirus.

The jobs report released by U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics on January 8 shows his employment record will be the worst in modern American history.

 

Well, that's incredibly disingenuous.  If you were to fairly judge Trump on the economy, you have to look at the pre-COVID numbers.  Unless you aren't interested in fairness.

 

Remember the calls to shut down the economy?  We had to shut everything down to save lives.  Now you're going to complain that shutting everything down costs jobs?  

 

To summarize:  If Trump doesn't shut down the economy, he's wrong.  If he shuts down the economy, he's wrong.  If he wants to reopen everything, he's wrong.  And now, if we lost jobs during the shutdown, he's wrong.  

[Prizm123 1,086]

he didnt create it. the economy was already growing before he took over. something that people conveniently forget.

 

that being said, the expansion would not have lasted forever and would have slowed down at some point, this stupid virus really slammed on the brakes so hard that it threw a lot of people through the windsheilds

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

2 minutes ago, B_J said:

Well, that's incredibly disingenuous.  If you were to fairly judge Trump on the economy, you have to look at the pre-COVID numbers.  Unless you aren't interested in fairness.

 

Remember the calls to shut down the economy?  We had to shut everything down to save lives.  Now you're going to complain that shutting everything down costs jobs?  

 

To summarize:  If Trump doesn't shut down the economy, he's wrong.  If he shuts down the economy, he's wrong.  If he wants to reopen everything, he's wrong.  And now, if we lost jobs during the shutdown, he's wrong.  

I told people it would happen, where states shut down the economy then blame Trump for the results (notably, they're now wanting to re-open).. it begs the question, what kind of person wants to wreak havoc on the economy and then use it as political leverage?

 

You have your answer.

[B_J 2,752]

7 minutes ago, Prizm123 said:

he didnt create it. the economy was already growing before he took over. something that people conveniently forget.

 

that being said, the expansion would not have lasted forever and would have slowed down at some point, this stupid virus really slammed on the brakes so hard that it threw a lot of people through the windsheilds

You're definitely correct.  The economy was definitely rolling along before.  And, of course, as the unemployment rate gets lower, it will definitely slow down.  This is simply a mathematical necessity.  He did preside over a great economy and we can debate how much credit he deserves; but there is no way to act like COVID didn't cause the current loss of jobs.

[Prizm123 1,086]

the thing about science is, it changes as you get more data and more understanding. the screaming ratfaces keep saying things like the scientists were wrong, they lied to everyone, we shut down for nothing..... but the reality is they were reacting to the data they had at the time, and as their understanding evolved, so did their recommendations. noone was prescient enough to see how it would happen or what is happening now.

people who dont understand this, really dont understand science. in a lot of ways it applies to climate change as well.

 

there wont be another shutdown because the science has evolved and we know more now than we did 8 months ago. it would certainly help if people would wear masks, but i dont see people doing that either because reasons.

 

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

46 minutes ago, B_J said:

Well, that's incredibly disingenuous.  If you were to fairly judge Trump on the economy, you have to look at the pre-COVID numbers.  Unless you aren't interested in fairness.

 

Remember the calls to shut down the economy?  We had to shut everything down to save lives.  Now you're going to complain that shutting everything down costs jobs?  

 

To summarize:  If Trump doesn't shut down the economy, he's wrong.  If he shuts down the economy, he's wrong.  If he wants to reopen everything, he's wrong.  And now, if we lost jobs during the shutdown, he's wrong.  

The article clearly states the reason 3 million jobs were lost so there is transparency.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Just now, CanAm1980 said:

The article clearly states the reason 3 million jobs were lost so there is transparency.

Who needs the article to tell us why? We saw the shutdowns, we know why.

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22 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Who needs the article to tell us why? We saw the shutdowns, we know why.

You didn't need a shutdown to slow travel, dining, cruising and conventions. Common sense kicked in for most.

[Dashinka 24,735]

50 minutes ago, Prizm123 said:

the thing about science is, it changes as you get more data and more understanding. the screaming ratfaces keep saying things like the scientists were wrong, they lied to everyone, we shut down for nothing..... but the reality is they were reacting to the data they had at the time, and as their understanding evolved, so did their recommendations. noone was prescient enough to see how it would happen or what is happening now.

people who dont understand this, really dont understand science. in a lot of ways it applies to climate change as well.

 

there wont be another shutdown because the science has evolved and we know more now than we did 8 months ago. it would certainly help if people would wear masks, but i dont see people doing that either because reasons.

 

Here in MI we are still seeing major shutdowns even though the new cases peaked two months ago.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

16 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

You didn't need a shutdown to slow travel, dining, cruising and conventions. Common sense kicked in for most.

Those shutdowns occurred, according to the states/cities specifically because they weren't slowing, I was told. So I don't know where you got the idea that common sense kicked in. People had little idea what common sense was. 

 

8 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Here in MI we are still seeing major shutdowns even though the new cases peaked two months ago.

Still "evolving". 

 

It's science!

Edited January 21, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

Trump is irrelevant. why are we still talking about Trump 

[Dashinka 24,735]

2 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Those shutdowns occurred, according to the states/cities specifically because they weren't slowing, I was told. So I don't know where you got the idea that common sense kicked in. People had little idea what common sense was. 

 

Still "evolving". 

 

It's science!

Yeah, our Governor is all about science.

[TBoneTX 45,924]

6 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

why are we still talking about Trump 

OK, then:  "It's Bush's fault."

4 hours ago, Dashinka said:

our Governor

Comrade Half-Whitmer.  Surprised that she hasn't been placed atop the National Groan-a-Virus Task Force; maybe should give it some time.

7 hours ago, Prizm123 said:

it would certainly help if people would wear masks

Would like to see the science that includes the other side, which was suppressed.

[Prizm123 1,086]

1 hour ago, TBoneTX said:

Would like to see the science that includes the other side, which was suppressed.

the other side? being not wearing a mask is more effective in helping to control the spread?

 

is this a serious?

 

i am sure you will find whatever "side" you want to find to suit whatever your opinion on the matter is. do whatever you want. i really dont care anymore.