The second impeachment of Donald Trump thread

[Crazy Cat 42,076]

9 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

IMO Roberts is saying that Trump is no longer a sitting President, so he has no obligation to preside which I tend to agree with.  That opens up the question as to whether the Senate trial is Constitutional at all, and no the Senate does not have the ultimate say in that matter.  Now the House impeachment is proper from a Constitutional perspective, but the Senate should have taken up the trial portion immediately and not waited.  Now the Left will claim the Belknap impeachment as being precedent setting, but reading of that case, the same questions were being asked, and since Belknap was acquitted, the question was never tested in SCOTUS.  In a way, I would not mind seeing Trump convicted in the Senate as then maybe things could be tested, but I doubt that will happen as much like Belknap, many Senators have already decided that this kangaroo court is not Constitutional, so I don't really see how they can change their minds regardless of what the House Managers say. 

These Democrats are setting some very dangerous firsts.  I guess they could, in their own minds, have a right to impeach and try George Washington.....they could spend years and years doing nothing else but impeaching and trying any (and every) former POTUS they don't like.  

Edited February 11, 2021 by Lucky Cat

[Crazy Cat 42,076]

When and where does this stop?  No branch of government should have unlimited power.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

38 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

When and where does this stop?  No branch of government should have unlimited power.

Ironic, huh?

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

10 hours ago, Lucky Cat said:

Yet none of those things indicate that Trump planned, encouraged, or participated in any illegal activities.  You seem to overlook the very same "evidence" which, by your standards, would convict several Democrats during the riots in several cities.  You can't cherry pick your criminals....yet, you certainly do.

There is no doubt that Trump will, again, be aquitted in this "trial".......and the Dems can, once again, feel good about their waste of time.

 

 

Are you watching the same proceedings in the rest the country?

House Democrats Are Showing That Trump Is More Guilty Than You Thought

They have produced evidence that he directly incited and inflamed his extremist supporters as the Capitol attack occurred

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/02/house-democrats-are-showing-that-trump-is-more-guilty-than-

 

 

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 Democrats Are Showing That Trump Is More Guilty Than You Thought

They have produced evidence that he directly incited and inflamed his extremist supporters as the Capitol attack occurred.

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  DAVID CORN

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During his opening presentation for the second impeachment trial of Donald Trump, Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), the lead House impeachment manager, dubbed the former president the “inciter-in-chief.” That came across as a clever phrase, and it certainly fit the known and basic facts: For two months, Trump inflamed his supporters with conspiracy theories and lies claiming the election had been robbed from him by a nefarious cabal; he called his followers to Washington, DC, on January 6 for a “wild” day; and that day he delivered a fiery speech to a crowd full of white supremacists, neo-Nazis, QAnon-ers, and Christian insurrectionists, urging them to head to the Capitol and “fight like hell” to “stop the steal.” But as Raskin and his team have detailed all of this—showing graphic and disturbing video of the murderous attack on Congress—they have also presented chilling evidence that makes the case that Trump directly incited the seditious marauders even stronger. That is, the story is worse than was already known.

A shocking instance of this involves Mike Pence. As part of the presentation on Wednesday, impeachment manager Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) laid out the chronology related to a tweet Trump sent during the riot. Throughout the day, Trump had pressured Vice President Pence to block the electoral vote count that was to take place in Congress—a move that would be unconstitutional and that Pence had no authority to take. At the pre-attack rally near the White House, Trump declared before the riled-up crowd, “Mike Pence, I hope you’re gonna stand up for the good of our Constitution and for the good of our country. And if you’re not, I’m going to be very disappointed in you.” He added, “I’m not hearing good stories.” He was setting Pence up to be a fall guy—and a target.

 

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As Trump’s terrorists assaulted police officers and ran amok through the halls of Congress, some directed their rage at Pence and were searching for him. Some chanted, “Hang Pence!” On the grounds of the Capitol, others built a gallows. As Castro noted, at 2:24 p.m. ET, about 30 minutes into the mayhem, Trump zapped out a tweet. It did not condemn the rioters. (Trump would not do so at any time on January 6.) The tweet did not ask his followers to end the violence and withdraw. Instead, Trump blasted his own vice president: “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and out Constitution…USA demands the truth!”

 

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The most important news of the day

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/11/politics/republican-officials-discuss-forming-party/index.html?utm_content=2021-02-11T15%3A00%3A11&utm_medium=social&utm_source=fbCNN&utm_term=link

[nykolos 711]

David Corn? Has liberalism advanced to the degree that were trusting in what a sexual predator writes?

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, nykolos said:

David Corn? Has liberalism advanced to the degree that were trusting in what a sexual predator writes?

 

 

 

 

And your response to the daming case made for impeachment today is what? 

Edited February 12, 2021 by CanAm1980

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[nykolos 711]

7 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

And your response to the daming case made for impeachment today is what? 

Damning case? LOL

 

I haven't seen or heard anything damning at all, This proceeding is like a condensed version of ""Mueller Part II"".. The only difference is, instead of CNN and MSNBC engaging in false narratives and innuendo, it's our elected leaders doing it. 

 

 

[nykolos 711]

49 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

House Democrats Are Showing That Trump Is More Guilty Than You Thought

They have produced evidence that he directly incited and inflamed his extremist supporters as the Capitol attack occurred

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/02/house-democrats-are-showing-that-trump-is-more-guilty-than-

 

 

House

 Democrats Are Showing That Trump Is More Guilty Than You Thought

They have produced evidence that he directly incited and inflamed his extremist supporters as the Capitol attack occurred.

• 

  DAVID CORN

 

[Crazy Cat 42,076]

Is this David Corn?  This looks like activism.....  not journalism.

 

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

42 minutes ago, nykolos said:

Damning case? LOL

 

I haven't seen or heard anything damning at all, This proceeding is like a condensed version of ""Mueller Part II"".. The only difference is, instead of CNN and MSNBC engaging in false narratives and innuendo, it's our elected leaders doing it. 

 

 

Specifically, what parts were false and innuendo?  The only point coming from the Trump camp is that these proceedings impinged upon his right to free speech.

 

Another question that I have never heard addressed. If Trump did not incite the riot, what possessed these people to storm the Capitol?

 

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Donald Trump Tweeted Attack on Mike Pence Minutes After Hearing VP Was Fleeing Capitol Rioters

 

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-tweeted-attack-mike-pence-minutes-capitol-rioters-1568568