The second impeachment of Donald Trump thread

[Dashinka 24,736]

11 hours ago, laylalex said:

Very interesting opinion piece in the WSJ on why impeachment IS constitutional, from Charles Cooper. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-constitution-doesnt-bar-trumps-impeachment-trial-11612724124?mod=djemalertNEWS (You should be able to read that without a sub -- I don't have one and I could read the whole thing.)

 

Cooper is very, very conservative, and not exactly a lightweight of a lawyer.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/07/us/politics/charles-cooper-trump-impeachment.html

 

 

 

It is a bit of circular reasoning especially considering the partisanship in DC.  I know if I were on the Senate, I would be taking naps during this clown circus being run by the Democrats (I imagine with the average age of the Senate, this may be happening even if circumstances were more relevant), since removal is in fact the main punishment and the other stuff is just an option, so the entire process is really a joke. If they really think Trump is guilty of sedition, make a criminal referral and let the legal system take care of it.  I am sure there is a reasonable Democrat prosecutor that will waste the taxpayers money.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I think these players would be using fortifying it against the uninformed voters, or at least driving those folks to choose to go back to the swamp.

 

  They were fortifying it against the fraudulent actions that many predicted would happen months prior to the election. No persons vote was influenced one way or another. There was no widespread voter fraud. It's not a bad thing that voter turn out was high, it's just a bad thing (for the right) that they voted against an extremely divisive and unpopular candidate. 

 

  My suggestion is fix the real problem, not the imagined one. Trump lost for a reason and we all know what it was. There's been one excuse after another and the common theme in all has been an inability to accept reality. Now people are turning the events of this article into another conspiracy theory. There is only one actual explanation. The right had a horrible unpopular candidate who did not belong in the white house. A majority of the electorate realized that fact. It's time for the rest to stop making excuses. 

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The fact that it was even close should have resulted in some serious naval gazing in the Dem party, the opposite seems to have happened.

[Dashinka 24,736]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  They were fortifying it against the fraudulent actions that many predicted would happen months prior to the election. No persons vote was influenced one way or another. There was no widespread voter fraud. It's not a bad thing that voter turn out was high, it's just a bad thing (for the right) that they voted against an extremely divisive and unpopular candidate. 

 

  My suggestion is fix the real problem, not the imagined one. Trump lost for a reason and we all know what it was. There's been one excuse after another and the common theme in all has been an inability to accept reality. Now people are turning the events of this article into another conspiracy theory. There is only one actual explanation. The right had a horrible unpopular candidate who did not belong in the white house. A majority of the electorate realized that fact. It's time for the rest to stop making excuses. 

So the Left put in a hugely unpopular candidate that also has no business in the WH?  I have no doubt Trump lost, but I think it is naïve to think there aren't people out there doing whatever they can to stuff the ballot box as legally as possible.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

6 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

So the Left put in a hugely unpopular candidate that also has no business in the WH?  I have no doubt Trump lost, but I think it is naïve to think there aren't people out there doing whatever they can to stuff the ballot box as legally as possible.

 

  If anything, that should highlight just how bad actually Trump was. Many on the left were not happy with Biden as the candidate. I'm sure the people on the right and center who voted for Biden were not all that happy about the choice they had either, but it is relative.

 

   

 

   

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2 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  If anything, that should highlight just how bad actually Trump was. Many on the left were not happy with Biden as the candidate. I'm sure the people on the right and center who voted for Biden were not all that happy about the choice they had either, but it is relative.

 

   

 

   

Which pretty much mirrors 2016 and how many detested Hillary 

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Dems had a free choice last year, not as if they did not know who he was. Nearly 50 years of 'service'

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

The fact that it was even close should have resulted in some serious naval gazing in the Dem party, the opposite seems to have happened.

 

  I admit Biden's 306-232 victory in 2020 certainly wasn't the landslide that Trump's 306-232 margin was in 2016. Sure he didn't manage the incredible popular vote margin Trump pulled off.

 

  By historical comparison though, it wasn't a slim margin, and it would be unwise for Republicans to act like it was. Status quo will favor the Democrats in the short run. It's obviously not a good long term strategy to bank on winning because the other party is worse, but that certainly favors the Democrats at the moment. If the Republicans strategy is to stay as they are and hope the Democrats self destruct, that's a risky one, likely to backfire, and either way going forward, nobody really wins if we are reduced to a battle of losers.

 

    

[Steeleballz 7,550]

8 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Which pretty much mirrors 2016 and how many detested Hillary 

 

   Something to be said by learning from your mistakes. Clinton certainly was a big part in Trump winning. Just as Trump was a big part in Biden winning. I'm not sure it's a strategy worth repeating. I guess run Trump again in 2024 if that's the best they can come up with. I don't imagine Biden will run, but I don't know the outcome will be any different with anyone else, unless the Dem's get Hillary again. 

[Dashinka 24,736]

7 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Something to be said by learning from your mistakes. Clinton certainly was a big part in Trump winning. Just as Trump was a big part in Biden winning. I'm not sure it's a strategy worth repeating. I guess run Trump again in 2024 if that's the best they can come up with. I don't imagine Biden will run, but I don't know the outcome will be any different with anyone else, unless the Dem's get Hillary again. 

So the Dems manipulated things for Old Joe to be the torch bearer with another unpopular candidate as the Veep?  Then they made sure any negative story is immediately discredited or suppressed by the MSM/Big Social Media, and keep the candidate in the basement and only bring him (and her) out after the teleprompters are set up and the questions have been submitted in triplicate?  How very elitist of the Dems/Left.  Personally, I don't think the GOP can do the same types of manipulations, and I think they are toast in the next few election cycles, and it will not be because of Trump, but because they will not run any candidates that will excite anyone.  We can all talk about 2016 and how bad Hillary was, but if they had put up a McCain/Romney clone, they would have lost big time to Hillary just due to the fact that these folks do not know how to win and generate no level of excitement.  The Dems know how to win and how to use political power, the GOP, not so much, the GOP is the Washington Generals of US politics.

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In a week or so we will know if he is guilty or innocent, and then we can put this thread to bed.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

So the Dems manipulated things for Old Joe to be the torch bearer with another unpopular candidate as the Veep?  Then they made sure any negative story is immediately discredited or suppressed by the MSM/Big Social Media, and keep the candidate in the basement and only bring him (and her) out after the teleprompters are set up and the questions have been submitted in triplicate?  How very elitist of the Dems/Left.  Personally, I don't think the GOP can do the same types of manipulations, and I think they are toast in the next few election cycles, and it will not be because of Trump, but because they will not run any candidates that will excite anyone.  We can all talk about 2016 and how bad Hillary was, but if they had put up a McCain/Romney clone, they would have lost big time to Hillary just due to the fact that these folks do not know how to win and generate no level of excitement.  The Dems know how to win and how to use political power, the GOP, not so much, the GOP is the Washington Generals of US politics.

 

   I think "old Joe" did OK for himself in the primaries. Just because he is not the candidate many on the left hoped for, it does not mean he is unpopular or that the vote was manipulated. He was the best of an uninspiring bunch, and as evidenced by the outcome, obviously a much better choice than Trump.

 

  I don't have an issue with Harris. She seems to be unpopular with many on the right, which is not a surprise to me. It's not going to be detrimental to anything she needs to get done. 

 

  As long as the GOP remains detached from reality they will struggle, and it allows the Democrats to remain complacent as well. I would like to see both parties put in a situation where they realize they have to do better for the people than they have been doing. First thing people need to do is quit making excuses and give up the conspiracy theories. 

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Barring Trump From Office Is More Popular Than Convicting Him

By Laura Bronner

Filed under Impeachment

  

Former President Donald Trump is the only president to have been impeached twice by the House of Representatives. And the fact that his second impeachment trial will now happen after he’s already left office further complicates things. (In addition to being the only president to be impeached twice, he is the only president to face an impeachment trial after leaving office.)

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-majority-of-americans-want-to-bar-trump-from-office/

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Impeachment Bettors Give Trump Conviction Just 5% Chance https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/news/politics/trump-impeachment-betting-odds-chances-percent/

 

Third time lucky?

[TBoneTX 45,953]

12 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

They were fortifying it against the fraudulent actions that many predicted would happen months prior to the election.

This serves as a reminder about how businesses in D.C. and elsewhere were fortified by being boarded up in case Trump won...