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1 minute ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

You're entitled to believe what you want but some of us take racism seriously and don't find this tactic funny nor something that should go unchallenged. 

Nobody's laughing. We spent four years under a racist who enacted and tried to enact racist policies. It doesn't fit your image of Trump as great leader, or however you frame him in your mind, but it's the truth. I'm happy you take racism seriously, that's a good start.

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6 minutes ago, moxy said:

Nobody's laughing. We spent four years under a racist who enacted and tried to enact racist policies. It doesn't fit your image of Trump as great leader, or however you frame him in your mind, but it's the truth. I'm happy you take racism seriously, that's a good start.

If Trump were that much a racist the behavior of people around him (the things they say about him, the way they act toward him) for most of his adult life who were black would've matched all those years with their behavior post-2015. Simple logic defeats what's clearly the most wretched bad faith imaginable. I assume most of you have some semblance of rational thought and so the only conclusion a reasonable person can come to with the loose spewing of "racist" is the intent is simply malicious (and an insult to blacks) and not of any genuine concern of racism. I know better than to allow people to co-opt this term for their own preferred cudgel.

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6 minutes ago, moxy said:

Nobody's laughing. We spent four years under a racist who enacted and tried to enact racist policies. It doesn't fit your image of Trump as great leader, or however you frame him in your mind, but it's the truth. I'm happy you take racism seriously, that's a good start.

What about Biden, he has been in power a long time.

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20 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

 

 

What you describe as pathological is quite normal in many circles.. the rich being an obvious one. I never understood the sudden exaggerations of all things Trump that people always knew but also understood were simply normal. It mirrors the ridiculous victorian attitude people suddenly had over Trump's AH video where people suddenly pretended they don't say offensive things in private. The left haven't let enough time pass since the Ted Haggards before they tried the moralist angle. Anyone that had anything of a social life, lived around these people, know very well that they've said (and done) the most outrageous stuff. There's no validating the outrage, it's inane.

 

    I've heard people say he is not a Republican and that I would have supported him if he ran as a Democrat. The answer to that is no. For me anyway. Maybe some people would have. I have had a poor opinion of him as a human being even before I had any political awareness. If I feel that way about someone as a person, I certainly won't feel different about them as a president. 

 

   

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11 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    I've heard people say he is not a Republican and that I would have supported him if he ran as a Democrat. The answer to that is no. For me anyway. Maybe some people would have. I have had a poor opinion of him as a human being even before I had any political awareness. If I feel that way about someone as a person, I certainly won't feel different about them as a president. 

 

   

Given the support of Trump comes from the populist movement which is not bound to any one party, I'd say the answer is yes. It would be very different if Trump were to make his own party, given the psychological stranglehold the two parties have on people. In this case, it's hard to say. I would personally say that if Trump ran outside the two main parties it would increase my support for him as a candidate. The same could be said of Tulsi Gabbard.

 

At any rate, I won't tell you nor anyone else how to construct the criteria for how you vote, but to me, keeping it as far away from "personal feelings" for the person is one of the most important things, with a simple understanding that on a personal level, I don't know these people, and I can't see why I'd want to. But since this pertains to a job and my role is no different than a boss, I know that catering to the brand marketing they do and aligning my personal feelings with them as a person is done to override my role and give them more influence over my vote, which has the opposite effect for me and makes me ignore it even more. Case in point, I did agree with Trump on a number of things in 2016 and laughed at a lot of memes but I didn't let it affect my judgement and didn't vote for him then. Watching what he did on the economy, on his promises (with a reasonable understanding of what he could fulfill and what he's simply marketing), and moreover, the people aligned against him and their roles in the public discourse, had him earn my vote for 2020. Or as some people call it, "racism".

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I have mixed in some very wealthy circles in my life. Yes, there are some horrifically selfish, spoilt, imperious and grasping people in those circles. Trump's behavior would not be acceptable there. One can be amoral and self-serving a decent part of one's time, but really rich people know the way to keep money is not to draw too much attention to themselves. Trump's mental illness is not a symptom of his wealth. 

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45 minutes ago, moxy said:

The whole birther thing didn't convince you he's a racist, so I completely understand that nothing else does. I get it.

Wasn't the birther myth started by someone else?  I suppose she is a racist as well.

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