The second impeachment of Donald Trump thread

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On 1/28/2021 at 12:25 AM, CanAm1980 said:

what exactly did Trump say to incite the attack? was it when he told them to have a peaceful protest or when he told them to go home ?

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

what exactly did Trump say to incite the attack? was it when he told them to have a peaceful protest or when he told them to go home ?

 

 

Did you mean the speech before the riot or the speech during the riot where he told them go home, it's very unfair , we love you while not calling out the national guard? 

 

Let's face it. The man gets a bye from his supporters for everything, he can do nothing wrong and there is no accountability.  It is a cult of personality.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

10 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

It is a cult of personality.

Clearly was before he was President when people endlessly smeared him, concocted conspiracies, larped as victorian era moralists, etc. 

 

Whether by design or accident, it diverts attention away from the person that should be more critically looked at and toward the geniuses making a scene. 

[moxy 1,051]

He was endlessly "smeared" before he was president because he's always been a terrible, entitled sociopathic creep. He was "smeared" after he was president because he was a terrible, entitled sociopathic creep with power. But he hates the same people and the same skin colors the far right hates, so they adore him and explain it all away as if the type of abhorrent and dysfunctional behavior he displays was as normal as the sunrise. Literally the behavior of a cult of personality. If he announced he was building Trumptown Guyana with all the free koolaid you can drink, they wouldn't be able to charter planes fast enough.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

8 minutes ago, moxy said:

He was endlessly "smeared" before he was president because he's always been a terrible, entitled sociopathic creep. He was "smeared" after he was president because he was a terrible, entitled sociopathic creep with power. But he hates the same people and the same skin colors the far right hates, so they adore him and explain it all away as if the type of abhorrent and dysfunctional behavior he displays was as normal as the sunrise. Literally the behavior of a cult of personality. If he announced he was building Trumptown Guyana with all the free koolaid you can drink, they wouldn't be able to charter planes fast enough.

Cult of personality Exhibit A

 

This sort of hysteria was completely absent before he ran for President. The same rhetoric was said of Romney, of Bush (especially when he was elected), and now this very same demographic that just reinvented history on Trump suddenly love both Romney and Bush, you'd never know they were apparently white supremacists, racists, misogynists, and so on back then. That's where cult of personality gets people. If one supposedly doesn't like it, they ought to stop engaging in it. 

Edited January 29, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

[moxy 1,051]

The "hysteria" was missing before he ran because the only lives he affected were mostly in New York City. Before he was President nobody ever thought about him except perhaps his racist twitter rants about Obama's birth certificate. The "hysteria" started when he became the leader of the free world. The far right never cared about Obama before he was President either. That's sort of how things like that work.

 

But I agree with you that Trump's cult of personality ought to disengage, remember what it was like before their entire identity was centered around a spoiled rich racist, and pull their lives back together. To quote one of the best movies ever made, "he's not the messiah. He's a very naughty boy."

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

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When Did Donald Trump become a Racist?

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With the mainstream media focusing on the one-year anniversary of the Charlottesville riots of last year, many news organizations are basically blaming President Trump for stoking the hatred and racial tension that led to the violence in that small college town, because of his coarse rhetoric on immigration and the NFL player protests.

I will concede that Trump is not without blame in contributing to some of the coarseness of our society, but it’s hard to deny the fact that Trump has been consistent his whole, adult life.

Trump has always been brash, arrogant, self-centered, abrasive in his language, and never one to let the smallest slight go without a response.

 

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the Reverend Jesse Jackson heaped tons of effusive praise upon Donald Trump at his 1998 Rainbow/Push Coalition Wall Street Project Conference in New York. There is simply no way to explain away Jackson’s high regard for Donald Trump, based on this video.

In a similar manner, the Reverend Al Sharpton cozied up to Trump quite a bit in the 1980s and beyond, according to a detailed expose in the National Review. They had mutual business dealings together that seemed to be based on each of their personal agendas. They each had something that the other wanted and needed and struck deals based on this set of mutual interests.

Trump both raised funds and contributed thousands of dollars to Sharpton-backed causes over the years according to National Review.

 

Even Oprah Winfrey got in on the act. She and Trump were known to have socialized together on occasion according to Fortune magazine.

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There is nothing new that we have learned about Trump since he has become president. Trump has consistently been who he now is for more than forty years. These Black folks who now want to brand Trump as a racist didn’t seem to mind associating with him when he owned casinos; when he was one of the biggest boxing promoters in the world; when he flew them around on his private jets and helicopters, or when he invited them to appear on his “Apprentice” TV show. — (NNPA)

So, the question that I ask Black America and White liberals is this: When did Donald Trump suddenly become a racist? Before he entered the world of politics, he was branded as the life of the party; now that he is president, he is being branded as a racist.

 

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For a racist, Trump seems to have a very eclectic group of friends from all walks of life.

https://www.phillytrib.com/when-did-donald-trump-become-a-racist/article_fdd7d40a-b66b-52d4-a40f-c19ed451711e.html

 

The entire spiel about Trump being a racist is not only non-factual it's something the left consistently do every time a Republican is either running for President or becomes President. Thankfully they're been so furiously hitting the "racist" button every other second it's been long clear it's merely a cudgel and has nothing to do with racism. It's simply a moronic way of trying to coerce one's political ideology upon another via "cult of personality". It's rather pathetic. If people prefer to call attention to themselves and away from criticisms of Trump, fine by me. It gets even more hilarious then when they complain about cults of personality. Given the clear cult of personality they had on Obama, it seems like a not so subtle way of simply wanting to monopolize cult of personality the way they try and monopolize language for their own purposes. Doesn't work anymore, try something new.

Edited January 29, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

[moxy 1,051]

The whole birther thing didn't convince you he's a racist, so I completely understand that nothing else does. I get it.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

8 minutes ago, moxy said:

The "hysteria" was missing before he ran because the only lives he affected were mostly in New York City. Before he was President nobody ever thought about him except perhaps his racist twitter rants about Obama's birth certificate. The "hysteria" started when he became the leader of the free world. The far right never cared about Obama before he was President either. That's sort of how things like that work.

 

But I agree with you that Trump's cult of personality ought to disengage, remember what it was like before their entire identity was centered around a spoiled rich racist, and pull their lives back together. To quote one of the best movies ever made, "he's not the messiah. He's a very naughty boy."

 

  Honestly, I've brought this up many times before, but the guy has been a jerk to everyone he has met for years. I remember reading about things he did back when I was still in school and that was a long time ago. There wasn't some giant backlash that happened. Many people were on the receiving end of his pathological personality long before he was elected. The reaction became apparent at the same time people realized his candidacy was turning from a joke into a horror show. 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

It didn't because I'm not a moron and I have a functional memory. The birther conspiracy had nothing to do with race. It was about his birth location and citizenship status, which people clearly had little understanding of. I would know, I endlessly made fun of them. The same thing happened to McCain, which was fodder for those who didn't support him. Gonna have to try something other than attempting to wield someone's skin color as a weapon against anything flying in their direction. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

Honestly, I've brought this up many times before, but the guy has been a jerk to everyone he has met for years. I remember reading about things he did back when I was still in school and that was a long time ago. There wasn't some giant backlash that happened. Many people were on the receiving end of his pathological personality long before he was elected. The reaction became apparent at the same time people realized his candidacy was turning from a joke into a horror show. 

What you describe as pathological is quite normal in many circles.. the rich being an obvious one. I never understood the sudden exaggerations of all things Trump that people always knew but also understood were simply normal. It mirrors the ridiculous victorian attitude people suddenly had over Trump's AH video where people suddenly pretended they don't say offensive things in private. The left haven't let enough time pass since the Ted Haggards before they tried the moralist angle. Anyone that had anything of a social life, lived around these people, know very well that they've said (and done) the most outrageous stuff. There's no validating the outrage, it's inane.

Edited January 29, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

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8 minutes ago, moxy said:

The whole birther thing didn't convince you he's a racist, so I completely understand that nothing else does. I get it.

Remind you that it started with a Hillary staffer not Trump

[moxy 1,051]

2 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

The birther conspiracy had nothing to do with race.

As I said, if the birther thing didn't convince you, nothing will. It was entirely about race. And he's never stopped. And his supporters make excuses for him every single time he blows that whistle. It's truly extraordinary.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

17 minutes ago, moxy said:

The whole birther thing didn't convince you he's a racist, so I completely understand that nothing else does. I get it.

 

     I'm skeptical of anyone who attempts to use the "black friend defense" as evidence that they are not racist. If someone is not racist, they probably won't ever have occasion to mention what skin color their friends are. 

 

   ETA, I've heard this used on VJ a lot, fwiw.

Edited January 29, 2021 by Steeleballz

[laylalex 7,300]

43 minutes ago, moxy said:

He was endlessly "smeared" before he was president because he's always been a terrible, entitled sociopathic creep. He was "smeared" after he was president because he was a terrible, entitled sociopathic creep with power. But he hates the same people and the same skin colors the far right hates, so they adore him and explain it all away as if the type of abhorrent and dysfunctional behavior he displays was as normal as the sunrise. Literally the behavior of a cult of personality. If he announced he was building Trumptown Guyana with all the free koolaid you can drink, they wouldn't be able to charter planes fast enough.

Actually, I think you mean Flavor-Aid.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

3 minutes ago, moxy said:

As I said, if the birther thing didn't convince you, nothing will. It was entirely about race. And he's never stopped. And his supporters make excuses for him every single time he blows that whistle. It's truly extraordinary.

I don't see any justification nor consideration that your conclusion can be flat out wrong. In the few things you're tried to describe, they're clearly caricatures, and any conspiracy against a person who is black, or white, or brown, or green, does not make them racist. You're entitled to believe what you want but some of us take racism seriously and don't find this tactic funny nor something that should go unchallenged. If one had respect for black people they'd not use their race in this fashion.

Edited January 29, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds