The second impeachment of Donald Trump thread

[Crazy Cat 42,073]

6 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

In other words, Biden will take credit for what has already been done prior to taking office....Typical........

[Crazy Cat 42,073]

12 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

No hypothesis, President Obama did not , with Biden, plot to overthrow the incoming administration. 

Unless you consider the fake dossier an attempt .

"In a Sept. 2, 2016, text exchange, Page writes that she was preparing the talking points because "potus wants to know everything we’re doing." Potus is an acronym for president of the United States."

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

56 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

Unless you consider the fake dossier an attempt .

"In a Sept. 2, 2016, text exchange, Page writes that she was preparing the talking points because "potus wants to know everything we’re doing." Potus is an acronym for president of the United States."

How do you know what the  subject of ,"everything we're doing is"  In the text?

 

I don't consider the dossier fake, we know that Christopher Steele created some version of it and that Steele has said that it is estimated to be 70--80% accurate. For example, we know Michael Cohen was not in Prague.  Other elements have been born out.

 

Steele of all people knows that Russian sources are notorious suspect.  

 

The fact that the FBI  used the material to extend the FiSA warrant for Carter Page is the largest misuse of the dossier, but I am not sure how and investigation into Trump Campaign members being potentially manipulated is an overthrow of of a sworn in President, and we don't have any evidence Trump himself was investigated.

 

I do agree that POTUS is the president if the United States though.

[yuna628 9,700]

14 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

I'm greatly disappointed in 4 years of made up scandals that they could only concoct two failed impeachments. I'm still hoping against the odds they can impeach him a few more times before the 20th.

Not failed at all. They did in fact, impeach him, twice.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

9 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Oh, my -- both poor suckers were blind to -- nay, blindsided by -- a rogue Intelligence Community that they were to supervise:

https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/trump-declassifying-tranche-fbi-memos-exposing-steeles

"Once-secret documents will show Steele told FBI he leaked Russia collusion narrative to counteract Clinton email scandal."

 

Who has seen this document?

 

[spookyturtle 9,466]

4 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

"Once-secret documents will show Steele told FBI he leaked Russia collusion narrative to counteract Clinton email scandal."

 

Who has seen this document?

 

It doesn’t matter. 

[laylalex 7,300]

1 minute ago, spookyturtle said:

It doesn’t matter. 

Apparently not!

9 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

"Once-secret documents will show Steele told FBI he leaked Russia collusion narrative to counteract Clinton email scandal."

 

Who has seen this document?

 

Lol, John Solomon.  

 

I thought "Bull" Durham was going to reveal all but here we are, January 16th and Joe Biden is about to get sworn in. 

[Crazy Cat 42,073]

25 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

How do you know what the  subject of ,"everything we're doing is"  In the text?

How do you know Obama, Biden, and Rice weren't trying to unseat Trump?  You said it didn't happen.

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4 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

How do you know Obama, Biden, and Rice weren't trying to unseat Trump?  You said it didn't happen.

Because no evidence has been presented to support the idea. Because the night of the election Obama called Clinton and told her the best thing to do is to conceede ASAP in the interest of the country. Because the Obama administration worked deligently to make the transition smooth to the Trump administration.  

 

 If Obama was trying to negate or undermine the Trump Presidency, he was being awfully cool about it.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

38 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Not failed at all. They did in fact, impeach him, twice.

And twice it goes nowhere.. in other words, failure. An impeachment by itself is meaningless.

[yuna628 9,700]

8 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

And twice it goes nowhere.. in other words, failure. An impeachment by itself is meaningless.

Impeachment has the intent that the founding fathers created. There is no requirement for it to go somewhere (and by going somewhere you mean fully impeached or convicted). If Mitch really wanted to do so, Trump would be gone and Pence would already be the President today (he effectively already seems to have taken on that role since the 6th anyway).

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Just now, yuna628 said:

Impeachment has the intent that the founding fathers created. There is no requirement for it to go somewhere (and by going somewhere you mean fully impeached or convicted). If Mitch really wanted to do so, Trump would be gone and Pence would already be the President today (he effectively already seems to have taken on that role since the 6th anyway).

The point of impeachment is to remove a democratically elected official.. the President. There is no such thing as a successful impeachment that just ends there. If it can't do what it set out to do, remove the President (at minimum), then it is indeed a failure. This is why impeachment likely should be done with an ounce of consensus, because the impeachment threshold of a simple majority doesn't apply to the Senate trial. If people made less of a joke of what is supposed to be a serious process, Congress might have been made to be slightly more useful.

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15 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

 I'm actually hoping not to hear anything else about impeachment for the rest of my lifetime.  

The word doesn't mean that much anymore does it?  Democrats have given the word a new meaning; "An abuse of power for political gain" 

 

 

 

[Dashinka 24,735]

16 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

No hypothesis, President Obama did not , with Biden, plot to overthrow the incoming administration. 

Yep, no spying by their FBI, no suggestions of how to play it.  Sure Rice sent an email to herself as a CYA, who does that?  You can believe what you want, but I will go with Mollie H.  She’s pretty good with her investigations, and career politicians are corrupt.

[Crazy Cat 42,073]

7 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Yep, no spying by their FBI, no suggestions of how to play it.  Sure Rice sent an email to herself as a CYA, who does that?  You can believe what you want, but I will go with Mollie H.  She’s pretty good with her investigations, and career politicians are corrupt.

Yep.  The evidence points to the fact that there was a concerted effort to discredit and reverse the legal election of Trump....... but to some, the end justifies the means.

Edited January 16, 2021 by Lucky Cat