Biden Harris Presidential Transition

[4tet 1]

11 minutes ago, laylalex said:

What fallacy is that? 

That all men are created equal

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

7 minutes ago, 4tet said:

That all men are created equal

Yeah I dont believe in creationism either, but back then they didnt go much for evolution. 

 

[4tet 1]

8 minutes ago, 4tet said:

That all men are created equal

Men that are white.

Men, not women.

That's not equality. 

 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

2 hours ago, moxy said:

Opinion journalists are not news. They opine on the news.

What is and isn't the "news" or "opinions" isn't the debate here, at all... 

 

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But thank you, I understand your disconnect now. Please maybe read/listen/watch some actual news and stay away from opinion programs.

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Also, moving goalposts means changing the argument, not responding to an argument.

 

Indeed. Stop doing that then. 

Edited January 23, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

[moxy 1,051]

4 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

 

It's unfortunate you're not interested in actual dialog. All good though, as I've said several times I'm not here to change your mind.

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9 minutes ago, moxy said:

It's unfortunate you're not interested in actual dialog. All good though, as I've said several times I'm not here to change your mind.

In the dialog I've given, you've cherrypicked tiny fragments of it, ignored the rest, and deviated the discussion into something else you believe you have an advantage on (MSM->dossier->pee tape->MSM->what is "news" and so on), only to go nowhere with that too. Although somewhat amusing, the interest in engaging this "dialog" as you call it wears off eventually. That is where I'll leave it.

Edited January 23, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Yeah I dont believe in creationism either, but back then they didnt go much for evolution. 

 

 

   They owned slaves but they were against slavery. Maybe there weren't any middle of the road colonists around to point out hypocrisy?

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14 hours ago, moxy said:

it's a completely different narrative when the President of the United States says it. Words matter when they are spoken by the person holding the highest office in the land. 

I'm OK with Trump saying it because somebody has to, Left wing activism in the media is a big problem and it needs to be addressed.. As for connecting the ""Enemy of the People"" comment Trump made 4 years ago to the recent Capital riot,  pure speculation on your part.

 

But you are right, words DO matter when it's spoken by the person holding the highest office in the land,  and even when their running for the highest office in the land,  how a Candidate for President spews rhetoric,  stopping construction of the border wall and promising Mass Amnesty to  11 Million illegal immigrants,  which has in fact led to this;

 

 

 

 

 

And as President, Traitor Joe decided now is the right time to fulfill his campaign promise, issuing a 100 day moratorium on deportations,  fueling the Caravan even more.

 

 

 

Edited January 23, 2021 by nykolos

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9 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   They owned slaves but they were against slavery. Maybe there weren't any middle of the road colonists around to point out hypocrisy?

Strong bro.  10 lol

[Crazy Cat 42,076]

11 hours ago, 4tet said:

Men that are white.

Men, not women.

That's not equality. 

 

That interpretation went away more than 150 years ago.  You are living in the past.

Edited January 23, 2021 by Lucky Cat

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12 hours ago, 4tet said:

The US was built on a fallacy and until the root of that is addressed there will continue to be strife. 

1870- 15th Amendment

1920- 19th Amendment

1964- 24th Amendment

 

There is equal opportunity...and the freedom to take advantage of that opportunity if one has the determination.

 

“You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go...”

― Dr. Seuss, Oh, the Places You'll Go!

Edited January 23, 2021 by Lucky Cat

[Dashinka 24,735]

3 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

1870- 15th Amendment

1920- 19th Amendment

1964- 24th Amendment

 

There is equal opportunity.

 

 

They would rather end the supposed institutional racism by a different form of racism.

[seekingthetruth 1,248]

23 hours ago, Lucky Cat said:

For four years, those who didn't vote for Hillary have been called  racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, murders – you name it.  75 million voters are not going to forget the abuse so easily. 

The incident that this woman describes is the type of thing that really gets to me.  Cancel culture at it's worst.  This cancel culture attitude on the left, in many forms, can't coexist with a message of unity.  If Biden truly wants to work towards unity, he needs to address this.

 

 

 

 

[yuna628 9,700]

12 hours ago, 4tet said:

The US was built on a fallacy and until the root of that is addressed there will continue to be strife. 

I would argue that the US was not built on a fallacy. All men being created equal is not a fallacy on its face. But it relied on the premise that everyone actually believe that statement of fact. It is Baldwin that once said, "Freedom is not something that anybody can be given. Freedom is something people take, and people are as free as they want to be." Writing a declaration that freedom is a sacred truth and undeniable is well and fine. It's declaration is important, but the words only have meaning if the people make it so. And it required our people to make it so, often with blood and pain and sacrifice. It evolves because we evolve, or our understanding of it evolves that is to say - we must fight for the ability to take that freedom and be as a free as we want to be.

 

11 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Yeah I dont believe in creationism either, but back then they didnt go much for evolution. 

 

Evolution as a concept didn't exist back then. But most of them were deists anyway, so I suspect evolution wouldn't have been very controversial to them.

10 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   They owned slaves but they were against slavery. Maybe there weren't any middle of the road colonists around to point out hypocrisy?

Many, owned slaves. But not all. And there were plenty of MoR's in the bunch, some quite radical and serious about the men being equal thing. It is hard to wrangle that Jefferson, a man who owned slaves, raped slaves, and profited from slaves - could write such famous words about liberty. Furthermore how we know that he wanted to take those words further and write the declaration in a way that would have acknowledged the rights and freedoms of a slave, but was overruled. He knew it was a morally reprehensible problem, a question he grappled with, and understood that he too was a hypocrite on the subject. There is nothing available to us in present day, that can truly help us understand the actions of the founders in this context. We cannot justify it, we can only reveal it for what it is. And that requires a great deal of honesty from all sides if people have the courage.

36 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

That interpretation went away more than 150 years ago.  You are living in the past.

One must learn from the past and correct along the way or we will be doomed to repeat it in the future.

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1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

One must learn from the past and correct along the way or we will be doomed to repeat it in the future.

Agree......which started in 1870.....but some people refuse to acknowledge any progress....as stated by the member to whom I was replying.