Biden Harris Presidential Transition

[laylalex 7,293]

4 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

so you got nothing huh ?

Has that been established though? I know two of the Page warrants lacked probable cause, but every one, no. That's not correct.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

21 minutes ago, moxy said:

So very wrong.

 

As I said, the Steele dossier was commissioned by a conservative website to dig up dirt on Trump FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. That fell through when it was clear that Trump was going to win the nomination. Marco Rubio, a Republican, shut it down.

 

Yes, Clinton's campaign then went to Fusion and did the same exact thing the Republicans did, which was to pay for dirt on Trump.

 

So either both parties did something wrong, or neither. Stop making this sound like some nefarious Democratic hit job, unless you're prepared to concede it was also a nefarious Republican hit job.

 

You're saying that A hired B to murder C, and those plans fell through. Instead, D hired B to murder C,  it happens, and you're saying A is in fact guilty instead of D because A supposedly wanted to do it first but didn't. I'd give an A for effort here, but an F for logic. 

[moxy 1,051]

4 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

 

You're saying that A hired B to murder C, and those plans fell through. Instead, D hired B to murder C,  it happens, and you're saying A is in fact guilty instead of D because A supposedly wanted to do it first but didn't. I'd give an A for effort here, but an F for logic. 

I'm saying:

 

The Steele dossier was commissioned by a conservative website to dig up dirt on Trump FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. That fell through when it was clear that Trump was going to win the nomination. Marco Rubio, a Republican, shut it down. Clinton's campaign then went to Fusion and did the same exact thing the Republicans did, which was to pay for dirt on Trump. So either both parties did something wrong, or neither.

 

This is not hard.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

12 minutes ago, moxy said:

I'm saying:

 

The Steele dossier was commissioned by a conservative website to dig up dirt on Trump FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. That fell through when it was clear that Trump was going to win the nomination. Marco Rubio, a Republican, shut it down. Clinton's campaign then went to Fusion and did the same exact thing the Republicans did, which was to pay for dirt on Trump. So either both parties did something wrong, or neither.

 

This is not hard.

Even if we assume what you said was true (which I'm not), your argument debunks itself. Where you should've stopped was "shut it down". At that point, it's not out, it's done. "Republican" is gone from the equation. Just because Clinton picked it up and moved forward with it (and we know what happened) into the public sphere, which started the domino effect of further abuse against the Trump campaign and then Presidency, doesn't mean a thing in respect to what you're trying to divert this to. This is 100% Clinton and the DNC's thing. Their money, their distribution channels, and hell, Hillary is trying hard to make it worth the money 4+ years later as she keeps pushing it in 2021.

Edited January 22, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

[moxy 1,051]

20 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Even if we assume what you said was true (which I'm not), your argument debunks itself. Where you should've stopped was "shut it down". At that point, it's not out, it's done. "Republican" is gone from the equation. Just because Clinton picked it up and moved forward with it (and we know what happened) into the public sphere, which started the domino effect of further abuse against the Trump campaign and then Presidency, doesn't mean a thing in respect to what you're trying to divert this to. This is 100% Clinton and the DNC's thing. Their money, their distribution channels, and hell, Hillary is trying hard to make it worth the money 4+ years later as she keeps pushing it in 2021.

Ok, so we're gonna move goalposts again huh? Ok, well I'm going to assume the Steele dossier is now settled. Conservative website using Republican funds commissioned it to dig dirt on Trump. Republicans dropped it, Dems (Clinton campaign) picked it up.

 

With regards to the FISA goalposts, I've posted on this multiple times. Do a search if you really care what I think (I don't think you do). tl;dr: yes, there was some mishandling of two (of the four I believe) warrants. No, it wasn't "Obama spied on the Trump campaign."

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

14 minutes ago, moxy said:

Ok, so we're gonna move goalposts again huh? Ok, well I'm going to assume the Steele dossier is now settled. Conservative website using Republican funds commissioned it to dig dirt on Trump. Republicans dropped it, Dems (Clinton campaign) picked it up.

 

With regards to the FISA goalposts, I've posted on this multiple times. Do a search if you really care what I think (I don't think you do). tl;dr: yes, there was some mishandling of two (of the four I believe) warrants. No, it wasn't "Obama spied on the Trump campaign."

Since there is no Steele dossier without Hillary and the DNC's funding it that leads to several FISAs and other abuses against the Trump campaign and Presidency (not to mention its basis for the special counsel which "It's Mueller Time" Mueller himself trashed), it's clear here who's moving the goalposts. Even your beloved fake news is happy to give her due credit. I have no idea why your prerogative is denial and such, but it matters not. You diverted here from criticism of the MSM, who had a choice not to publish this trash but clearly wanted to, without question. Incessant barrages of pee tapes and Putin colluding would put anyone with a spine on the attack, and it sure was good to have a President with a spine, even acknowledging the numerous deficiencies I laid out in a prior post. It is neither authoritarian nor in any way un-Presidential to not let people endlessly smear you in this way and facilitate abuse and use of power against you. Rather, it's simply stupid to allow it to go unchallenged.

Edited January 22, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

[moxy 1,051]

7 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Incessant barrages of pee tapes

I suppose if you're lumping Access Hollywood and Us Weekly into "the mainstream media" you might have a point. But most people don't consider gossip rags as journalistic centers of excellence.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

19 minutes ago, moxy said:

I suppose if you're lumping Access Hollywood and Us Weekly into "the mainstream media" you might have a point. But most people don't consider gossip rags as journalistic centers of excellence.

Nope, I'm lumping the MSM in with the MSM. They pushed the dossier, which the pee tape is part of, and despite the pee tape being the most ridiculous part of what's already conspiratorial stupidity, the MSM still covered it uncritically, none less than "journalistic centers of excellence" like MSNBC:

 

 

Edited January 22, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

[moxy 1,051]

10 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Nope, I'm lumping the MSM in with the MSM. They pushed the dossier, which the pee tape is part of, and despite the pee tape being the most ridiculous part of what's already conspiratorial stupidity, the MSM still covered it uncritically, none less than "journalistic centers of excellence" like MSNBC:

You understand Chris Hayes is an opinion journalist, right? Please tell me you're not getting your news from opinion journalists. You're seriously not getting your news from Tucker Carlson, Chris Hayes, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Joe Scarborough, Sean Hannity, Jeanine Pirro, or some combination, are you? If you are, please stop.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

10 minutes ago, moxy said:

You understand Chris Hayes is an opinion journalist, right? Please tell me you're not getting your news from opinion journalists. You're seriously not getting your news from Tucker Carlson, Chris Hayes, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Joe Scarborough, Sean Hannity, Jeanine Pirro, or some combination, are you? If you are, please stop.

"MSM"

"opinion journalist"

 

That goalpost doing some amazing gymnastics. MSNBC = MSM

 

Stand by your journalistic centers of excellence.

Edited January 22, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,376]

23 minutes ago, moxy said:

You understand Chris Hayes is an opinion journalist, right? Please tell me you're not getting your news from opinion journalists. You're seriously not getting your news from Tucker Carlson, Chris Hayes, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Joe Scarborough, Sean Hannity, Jeanine Pirro, or some combination, are you? If you are, please stop.

[moxy 1,051]

MSNBC is MSM, yes. So is Fox News, so is CNN. Etc.

 

Opinion journalists are not news. They opine on the news.

 

Also, moving goalposts means changing the argument, not responding to an argument.

 

But thank you, I understand your disconnect now. Please maybe read/listen/watch some actual news and stay away from opinion programs.

[4tet 1]

The US was built on a fallacy and until the root of that is addressed there will continue to be strife. 

[laylalex 7,293]

28 minutes ago, 4tet said:

The US was built on a fallacy and until the root of that is addressed there will continue to be strife. 

What fallacy is that? 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,376]