Biden Harris Presidential Transition

[Prizm123 1,086]

1 hour ago, B_J said:

We have to stop acting like anybody with a different opinion is evil and should never be heard.  I agree that most of it has come from one side but, if we're ever going to improve, we have to start somewhere.  Now we see what happens.

no. it has most assuredly not just come from "one side"

people on the right seem to think they are blameless in spreading hate and misinformation. that it is only "msm" or those stupid "libtards"..... and they seem to think the left will roll over and show their bellies and let the right walk all over them some more to impose their minority rule over them and never fight back.

[B_J 2,752]

2 minutes ago, Prizm123 said:

no. it has most assuredly not just come from "one side"

people on the right seem to think they are blameless in spreading hate and misinformation. that it is only "msm" or those stupid "libtards"..... and they seem to think the left will roll over and show their bellies and let the right walk all over them some more to impose their minority rule over them and never fight back.

Part of the problem is I work in education, so my perspective is probably skewed.  From my daily interactions it is very one-sided because most have learned to keep their head down and their mouth shut if they have the "wrong" opinion. 

 

I'm not saying this is representative of how things are on the outside but it is representative of my little corner of the world.

 

On a side note, I have a distinct memory of a conversation with friends at a restaurant.  Political topics arose and the conversation veered to immigration.  I offered up this opinion, "I find it interesting that everybody has very strong opinions on immigration while at the same time knowing very little about immigration".(that was a mistake)  Eventually, I stated that all the issues we have now are pretty complicated and there are no easy answers.  That started the slippery slope that ended with me being yelled at, in a restaurant, because I didn't care about brown kids in cages.  

 

I'm sure people on both sides can share similar stories, but I'm giving an example of where my bias comes from.  

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

17 minutes ago, B_J said:

Part of the problem is I work in education, so my perspective is probably skewed.  From my daily interactions it is very one-sided because most have learned to keep their head down and their mouth shut if they have the "wrong" opinion. 

 

I'm not saying this is representative of how things are on the outside but it is representative of my little corner of the world.

 

On a side note, I have a distinct memory of a conversation with friends at a restaurant.  Political topics arose and the conversation veered to immigration.  I offered up this opinion, "I find it interesting that everybody has very strong opinions on immigration while at the same time knowing very little about immigration".(that was a mistake)  Eventually, I stated that all the issues we have now are pretty complicated and there are no easy answers.  That started the slippery slope that ended with me being yelled at, in a restaurant, because I didn't care about brown kids in cages.  

 

I'm sure people on both sides can share similar stories, but I'm giving an example of where my bias comes from.  

You just need more unity. Which is basically bend the knee to whatever they give you and accept peace on their terms.

 

Just like how Trump was villainized because of his attacks on the media, except the media started with him, it's no less a psychological war than a real one, as people simply demand nothing less than subservience to their political agenda. The second someone like Trump fights back, people kick and scream. We need a lot more Trumps until people figure out what unity actually means.

 

It's funny because you and I, ideologically, likely disagree on a great many things, the difference is, our principles about our freedoms are what brings us together. Every time people like the left, or the media, or Biden, talk about unity, they don't mean people respecting each other's views, they unequivocally mean you acquiescing to their demands. Not a chance in hell. Liberty or death is the phrase, our founders fought for it, as there was no talking to people any longer that simply wanted to impose their way. We can compromise on policies, can live side by side having different viewpoints, but I won't ever compromise on my right to freely speak my opinion without getting my life ruined, without people trying to shut me down and censor me at every turn, and if it means war, then war it is. Bending the knee never, ever works, people think it gets them off their back, but it works like a wounded animal hunted by wolves, once you give them a taste of blood, they never leave you alone.

Edited January 22, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

[B_J 2,752]

1 hour ago, Prizm123 said:

no. it has most assuredly not just come from "one side"

people on the right seem to think they are blameless in spreading hate and misinformation. that it is only "msm" or those stupid "libtards"..... and they seem to think the left will roll over and show their bellies and let the right walk all over them some more to impose their minority rule over them and never fight back.

The more I think about this, the more I don't understand how you can disagree with what I said.  Most of the mocking and ridicule of the "other side" comes from the left.  That doesn't mean that the left is worse than the right, I mean that the left has a much larger platform to voice these attacks.

 

All late night talk shows lean to the left.  SNL leans to the left.  All major news outlets except Fox lean to the left.  All actors lean to the left.  All singers lean to the left.  All of academia leans to the left.  Every voice that has a mass audience leans to the left.  Of course, when I say all, I mean almost all since I'm sure there are exceptions.

 

The one very large voice that has been toxic from the right has been Trump.  However, it's interesting that social media took away his platform while he was President.  Major news outlets would turn turn away from him when they didn't agree with what he was saying.  So, even the loudest voice from the right could not reach the masses the way the multiple voice from the left could.

 

All of the toxicity is wrong.  It's just the toxicity from one side is heard more than the other.

[moxy 1,051]

1 minute ago, B_J said:

The more I think about this, the more I don't understand how you can disagree with what I said.  Most of the mocking and ridicule of the "other side" comes from the left.  That doesn't mean that the left is worse than the right, I mean that the left has a much larger platform to voice these attacks.

 

All late night talk shows lean to the left.  SNL leans to the left.  All major news outlets except Fox lean to the left.  All actors lean to the left.  All singers lean to the left.  All of academia leans to the left.  Every voice that has a mass audience leans to the left.  Of course, when I say all, I mean almost all since I'm sure there are exceptions.

 

The one very large voice that has been toxic from the right has been Trump.  However, it's interesting that social media took away his platform while he was President.  Major news outlets would turn turn away from him when they didn't agree with what he was saying.  So, even the loudest voice from the right could not reach the masses the way the multiple voice from the left could.

 

All of the toxicity is wrong.  It's just the toxicity from one side is heard more than the other.

I don't think you quite understand what the left has been "mocking."

 

Nothing that came out of Trump's mouth over the last four years has been normal. Whether that's the weird way he phrases things, the demeaning things he says, or the absolute disdain he has for anybody who is even remotely against him. He had no grasp of complex issues, he spent very little time actually doing the job, preferring rallies and golfing, and his entire four years can be boiled down to "what's in this for me?"

 

Nobody was ever mocking you personally, unless you were one of the dingbats who flew giant Trump flags on your lifted pickup truck and basically centered your entire identity and life around one man. If you were, then yeah, the left was mocking you. Normal people do not do that. Cults do that.

 

If you want to talk policy, cool let's talk policy. But if you want to be bitter because the left mocked the horribly stupid things that our President (and many of his followers) did, then you're not interested in unity anyway.

[B_J 2,752]

8 minutes ago, moxy said:

I don't think you quite understand what the left has been "mocking."

 

Nothing that came out of Trump's mouth over the last four years has been normal. Whether that's the weird way he phrases things, the demeaning things he says, or the absolute disdain he has for anybody who is even remotely against him. He had no grasp of complex issues, he spent very little time actually doing the job, preferring rallies and golfing, and his entire four years can be boiled down to "what's in this for me?"

 

Nobody was ever mocking you personally, unless you were one of the dingbats who flew giant Trump flags on your lifted pickup truck and basically centered your entire identity and life around one man. If you were, then yeah, the left was mocking you. Normal people do not do that. Cults do that.

 

If you want to talk policy, cool let's talk policy. But if you want to be bitter because the left mocked the horribly stupid things that our President (and many of his followers) did, then you're not interested in unity anyway.

I get that mocking the President is okay.  And this is the first President I've ever seen that was actually bothered by it.

 

But, there are instances of those on the right being mocked,  not for flying a Trump flag, but because they voted for Trump.  That's where the issue is.  But I get what you're saying.

 

Going on a tangent:  Speaking of cults, Obama had an incredible cult following and I thought it was ridiculous.  And then I saw those on the right do the same thing for Trump.  smh.

 

edit to add:  And I drive a Corolla.  There's no way I could put a giant flag on there.

Edited January 22, 2021 by B_J

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

3 minutes ago, B_J said:

I get that mocking the President is okay.  And this is the first President I've ever seen that was actually bothered by it.

 

But, there are instances of those on the right being mocked,  not for flying a Trump flag, but because they voted for Trump.  That's where the issue is.  But I get what you're saying.

 

Going on a tangent:  Speaking of cults, Obama had an incredible cult following and I thought it was ridiculous.  And then I saw those on the right do the same thing for Trump.  smh.

Oh not just mocked. People brutally beaten by left wing mobs for wearing a MAGA hat, people stealing hats from kids, teenagers being bullied and brutalized for supporting Trump. Unfortunately we're barred from posting those things here because the rules were changed to prevent showing what they're doing.

 

The reason they chose to target "mocking" is because it's the easiest methodology to make you think what they're doing is normal. People who've supported Trump have systematically been harassed, de-platformed, stalked, beaten, mugged, doxxed, and so on for the last 4 years. 

Edited January 22, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

[nykolos 711]

1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

You just need more unity. Which is basically bend the knee to whatever they give you and accept peace on their terms.

 

Just like how Trump was villainized because of his attacks on the media, except the media started with him, it's no less a psychological war than a real one, as people simply demand nothing less than subservience to their political agenda. The second someone like Trump fights back, people kick and scream. We need a lot more Trumps until people figure out what unity actually means.

 

Spot on  

[moxy 1,051]

4 minutes ago, B_J said:

I get that mocking the President is okay.  And this is the first President I've ever seen that was actually bothered by it.

 

But, there are instances of those on the right being mocked,  not for flying a Trump flag, but because they voted for Trump.  That's where the issue is.  But I get what you're saying.

There are always extremists on both sides. This cult of Trump took that to new heights, but yes there were (and are) those on the left who belong in jail. Left, right, or center.. if you destroy property, harm people, or commit sedition or treason, you belong in jail.

 

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Going on a tangent:  Speaking of cults, Obama had an incredible cult following and I thought it was ridiculous.  And then I saw those on the right do the same thing for Trump.  smh.

If there was a cult of Obama who centered their entire identity around him, I missed it. Yeah, every now and then I see a Prius covered in Obama bumper stickers, but I never see a parade of them. There are extremists on both sides, so I imagine there were a handful who were nuts. But I seriously doubt there were ever enough of them to, say, storm the capitol. And to be honest, Obama extremists wanted you to have a good education and free/affordable health care. The cult of Trump wanted to end democracy as we know it.

 

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edit to add:  And I drive a Corolla.  There's no way I could put a giant flag on there.

Well not with that attitude 

[moxy 1,051]

1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Just like how Trump was villainized because of his attacks on the media, except the media started with him

Yeah, so unfair of the media to actually do their jobs and report on Trump when he was acting like a totally unhinged banana republic dictator, rather than "bending the knee" like Fox and OAN.

 

Imagine Obama calling the press the "enemy of the people." The right would have lost their collective minds.

[Lemonslice 4,886]

2 hours ago, B_J said:

Part of the problem is I work in education, so my perspective is probably skewed.  From my daily interactions it is very one-sided because most have learned to keep their head down and their mouth shut if they have the "wrong" opinion. 

 

I'm not saying this is representative of how things are on the outside but it is representative of my little corner of the world.

 

On a side note, I have a distinct memory of a conversation with friends at a restaurant.  Political topics arose and the conversation veered to immigration.  I offered up this opinion, "I find it interesting that everybody has very strong opinions on immigration while at the same time knowing very little about immigration".(that was a mistake)  Eventually, I stated that all the issues we have now are pretty complicated and there are no easy answers.  That started the slippery slope that ended with me being yelled at, in a restaurant, because I didn't care about brown kids in cages.  

 

I'm sure people on both sides can share similar stories, but I'm giving an example of where my bias comes from.  

But, did you care about "brown kids" in cages?  

Edited January 22, 2021 by Lemonslice

[B_J 2,752]

1 minute ago, Lemonslice said:

But, did you care about "brown kids" in cages?  

I care about all kids in cages.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

12 minutes ago, moxy said:

Yeah, so unfair of the media to actually do their jobs and report on Trump when he was acting like a totally unhinged banana republic dictator, rather than "bending the knee" like Fox and OAN.

 

Imagine Obama calling the press the "enemy of the people." The right would have lost their collective minds.

Their jobs are whatever they want them to be. However, it was entirely the media that attacked Trump, particularly when it came to pushing the Clinton/DNC funded dossier. If they were doing their jobs as people understood them, they'd have bat that horse you-know-what down. They did what they did, and the only change here is Trump didn't bend the knee. Bush did, Romney did, the usual hacks Republican voters kept voting for. Obama did attack FOX news, the idea that he didn't go after press is as mythical as the scandal free propaganda. The dictator thing, ridiculous hyperbole, much like Trump was persistently likened to Hitler and white supremacy, we know how it goes. None of this stuff works, at all.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Lemonslice said:

But, did you care about "brown kids" in cages?  

If you cared about them, you'd describe the circumstances they were in rather than use their skin color and age as a cudgel. Any honest discussion of this situation not only has people not using this bait term, but possibly gets somewhere on reform for holding immigrants pending decision on their case. The idea of just letting them in the country is a non-starter, and using their race and age is clearly something people who have no vested interest in doing anything positive attempt. 

Edited January 22, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

[B_J 2,752]

The thing is, I didn't really have an opinion on the issue, meaning I didn't know what should be done.  I tried explaining that....

 

If I understand correctly, people come over without authorization.  When they are caught, they are given a court date.  Do we just let them go and hope they come back on their date?  I've heard differing numbers on how successful that is.  Do we keep them in detention until their date arrives?  What about if they have kids?  That's how we end up with kids in cages.  I think they are only allowed to hold kids like that for a short time.  So, then we have the issue of removing the kids from the parents.  I don't see an easy answer.  Letting people go and hope they come back?  Keep the kids with their parents?  Remove kids from their parents?  I really don't know.

 

And that's when I get called a racist.

[nykolos 711]

4 hours ago, Boiler said:

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