How to Ensure This Never Happens Again

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

18 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

Right unless you are on vacation, temporarily living in another state or fear illness will prevent you from voting. The courts upheld that people who fear covid can request a ballot but apparently it was a drawn out battle.

 

Here is the point the original article was striving to make, each state has a unique set of arcane rules that lacks consistency and in many cases fairness or justice.  Make a clear set of stardards for registration, role maintenance, how felons can restore their rights, how to request a mail in ballot and deadlines to count and audit. Get every sec of state to guide their legislative bodies into the new stardards and implementat those.

After that there shouldn't be a question as to the fairness and accuracy of the vote. 

 

If we have uniform building codes and stardards in driving from state to state, we can streamline and standardize voting. Every western state is standardizing on mail in voting, I am not sure why other citizens are not entitled to the same accuracy, convenience and access (+ this year safety from covid-19) that we are.

This seems to directly strike at one of the election issues.

 

Any standard of uniformity you discuss likely means a federal implement which would not be allowed as the Constitution is quite clear that state legislatures, not the federal government, not state courts, will make their own rules on how their elections take place.

 

Some states, and for good reason, do not trust mail-in ballots. To me that's not a Republican or Democrat issue, as neither party is trustworthy. Just because Person A in State A wants Person B in state B to have the same election rules or standards as them doesn't mean it must be so. Of course, the proposed ideas in the OP are pretty exclusively a Democrat Party wishlist to how they see themselves winning elections and dominating the country politically which is why it's largely a joke.

Edited January 9, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

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33 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

This seems to directly strike at one of the election issues.

 

Any standard of uniformity you discuss likely means a federal implement

Nope, it does not

33 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

 

which would not be allowed as the Constitution is quite clear that state legislatures, not the federal government,

Nothing prevents state governments from standardizing updating and modernizing election policy, procedure and laws. 

 

33 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

 

not state courts, will make their own rules on how their elections take place.

 

Some states, and for good reason, do not trust mail-in ballots.

 

You said you lived in Alberta, do you vote by mail? Besides, standardization wouldn't mandate mail in voting, just provide the best framework for what ever methods are used to eliminate the chance of fraud or missed votes.

 

33 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

To me that's not a Republican or Democrat issue, as neither party is trustworthy. Just because Person A in State A wants Person B in state B to have the same election rules or standards as them doesn't mean it must be so. Of course, the proposed ideas in the OP are pretty exclusively a Democrat Party wishlist to how they see themselves winning elections and dominating the country politically which is why it's largely a joke.

 

 

The Sec of State in Washington is Republican and continues to be a leader and mentor to other states. She will be returned to office as long as she chooses to run. It shouldn't be a partisan issue, only partisans and demagogues benefit from chaos.

 

 

 

 

[TBoneTX 45,953]

14 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

true freedom is not being required to vote.

And the happy medium is to prepare ballots in advance, of course machine-stamped with votes for the candidate(s) of choice (for ease), and to submit these to the counters after Election Day during, let's say, 1:30 to 4 a.m., when other counting is purportedly through for the day and it's known how many people (citizens, aliens, and dead people) haven't voted yet.  Coordinate the number of these ballots with the number of not-voted-yets, and there's one's 100% or 120% level of participation.

 

In this way, people who resisted voting can avoid prosecution for not having personally voted (the government has magnaminously printed and submitted ballots on their behalf), and the process is obviously completely democratic because All (or Even More Than All) The People Have Spoken.

[Crazy Cat 42,080]

On 1/8/2021 at 8:45 PM, CanAm1980 said:

Fix the Electoral College Process

Establish national best practices for voting and election security

Register voters automatically

Turn D.C. and Puerto Rico into states

End gerrymandering

Make People Vote

Eliminate the Electoral College

Disagree with every item...these are nothing more than the extreme radical Democrats' talking points....that is all.   

[seekingthetruth 1,248]

23 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Nor should anyone ever be bribed to vote, as that is essentially buying a vote - something I thought we could all agree on is a big no no.

I live in the Philippines and vote buying is still the norm, no matter how much you hear that it is not.  When I moved here in 2012, I had hopes that Philippines was moving forward, but it has not moved much.  Corruption is a way of life and vote buying is how rich families stay in power, year after year.  My good friend, a business owner, said his employees told him that 1000 pesos, about $20, was the going rate last election.  For a rich Filipino family, that is peanuts.

[Boiler 45,947]

7 minutes ago, seekingthetruth said:

I live in the Philippines and vote buying is still the norm, no matter how much you hear that it is not.  When I moved here in 2012, I had hopes that Philippines was moving forward, but it has not moved much.  Corruption is a way of life and vote buying is how rich families stay in power, year after year.  My good friend, a business owner, said his employees told him that 1000 pesos, about $20, was the going rate last election.  For a rich Filipino family, that is peanuts.

Sounds like Chicago

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

37 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Sounds like Chicago

Sounds like everywhere to me. If you don't have the financial mafias you have the easily impressionable flyover mayors sleeping with Chinese spies.

[laylalex 7,300]

5 hours ago, Lucky Cat said:

Disagree with every item...these are nothing more than the extreme radical Democrats' talking points....that is all.   

Serious question: what is your defense of gerrymandering? 

[Dashinka 24,736]

42 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Serious question: what is your defense of gerrymandering? 

Honestly, getting rid of gerrymandering would be the only thing I agree with, but that will be hard as like elections, it is in the purview of the states.  Gerrymandering makes some big assumption and that is that the population is not mobile, and that they vote lockstep according to a political Party neither of which are very good assumptions.

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2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Honestly, getting rid of gerrymandering would be the only thing I agree with, but that will be hard as like elections, it is in the purview of the states.  Gerrymandering makes some big assumption and that is that the population is not mobile, and that they vote lockstep according to a political Party neither of which are very good assumptions.

What do you have against 

"Fixing the Electoral College"?

The prospect of dueling slates of electors doesn't sound good.

 

"Congress could detail narrow circumstances in which a state election would be deemed to have failed (in the event of a natural disaster on Election Day, for example). A new law could also clarify that state legislatures have the power to choose electors only in those circumstances or not at all (the Constitution leaves the door open to more meddling). And it could outline what happens if a state submits dueling slates of electors, along with the current rules for choosing a president in the House if all else fails."

 

[Boiler 45,947]

This feels vaguely reminiscent of the power grab by the EU. Which is causing all sorts of issues.

[TBoneTX 45,953]

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Gerrymandering makes some big assumption and that is that the population is not mobile, and that they vote lockstep according to a political Party

As evidenced by refugees from New York, California, and elsewhere who move to red states but mystifyingly bring their previous voting habits with them.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

5 hours ago, laylalex said:

Serious question: what is your defense of gerrymandering? 

I w am very much skeptical whenever I see many on the Left say the "End Gerrymandering" line because they act like Republicans are the only people that do it. I know here in NC before 2010 the Democrats controlled NC for over a century and they gerrymandered districts just the same. I used to live in one of the most gerrymandered districts in the country which was the 12th and 13th Congressional Districts. The 12th was drawn by Democrats and ran from Greensboro to Charlotte spanning the I-85 corridor. While the 13th and 6th Congressional Districts were drawn by Republicans and considered racist because they split NC A&T right down the middle. 

So who knows what this year will bring when they redraw districts because we are taking a congressional seat from CA. But I will bet my bottom dollar that it will involve the court system

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10 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I w am very much skeptical whenever I see many on the Left say the "End Gerrymandering" line because they act like Republicans are the only people that do it. I know here in NC before 2010 the Democrats controlled NC for over a century and they gerrymandered districts just the same. I used to live in one of the most gerrymandered districts in the country which was the 12th and 13th Congressional Districts. The 12th was drawn by Democrats and ran from Greensboro to Charlotte spanning the I-85 corridor. While the 13th and 6th Congressional Districts were drawn by Republicans and considered racist because they split NC A&T right down the middle. 

So who knows what this year will bring when they redraw districts because we are taking a congressional seat from CA. But I will bet my bottom dollar that it will involve the court system

I think you are building the case for stopping gerrymandering

[laylalex 7,300]

I think there are plenty of people of every political persuasion who would be happy to let gerrymandering go. Just because someone who is speaking from the left is asking to end it doesn't mean that the person doesn't realize it's a "physician heal thyself" moment as well.