Trump banned from Twitter!

[spookyturtle 9,465]

17 minutes ago, B_J said:

After these four years, I hope some of us have learned something.  I have no issue with an outsider being President, in some ways that might be for the best.  But maybe, just maybe, character does matter a bit.

I like the idea of an outsider being President. For me it goes back to some of Iacocca’s business ideas. But character matters a lot. Trump wasn’t an outsider, he is an insider. 

[Dashinka 24,505]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I've said several times in the past, but one of his supposed strengths was surrounding himself with good people to get the job done, and I think the failure to do that was a big part of the issues the administration had.  I think the biggest part of that failure, both finding people and the turnover, is the absolute difficulty he has working with people. Good people don't want to be in that situation, and in the end you have the Trump administration. People who's best quality was the ability to say the things that Mr Trump wanted to hear. 

Yeah, he made the mistake of using people from inside DC.  There are no good people there within government.

 

1 hour ago, B_J said:

After these four years, I hope some of us have learned something.  I have no issue with an outsider being President, in some ways that might be for the best.  But maybe, just maybe, character does matter a bit.

Well at the time we had Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum to choose from, one chosen by the GOP electorate, and the other chosen primarily by the Democrat Party elite.  We did not really have much character to choose from.  Then in 2020, we basically had the same choice only this time the Democrat doing everything possible to stay in the basement.

[B_J 2,752]

7 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Well at the time we had Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum to choose from, one chosen by the GOP electorate, and the other chosen primarily by the Democrat Party elite.  We did not really have much character to choose from.  Then in 2020, we basically had the same choice only this time the Democrat doing everything possible to stay in the basement.

Yeah, you make a good point.  I voted in the Republican primary in 2016, I don't even remember who I voted for except it wasn't Trump.  GOP voters have to do better in the primaries.  And GOP politicians have to do better when they are nominated and elected.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

49 minutes ago, B_J said:

After these four years, I hope some of us have learned something.  I have no issue with an outsider being President, in some ways that might be for the best.  But maybe, just maybe, character does matter a bit.

Then we have to recognize (along with understand why) that an outsider is not going to be treated fairly. You're simply not going to get that from people that have such extensive personal animus toward Trump, and there's no sense in giving an ounce of validation. It's this very thing that prevents rational discussion on the issues Trump does have.. like being an outsider wanting to "drain the swamp" yet picking neocons in his cabinet, outsourcing the selection of judges and justices to an organization occupied by neoconservatives and neoliberal, leadership deficiencies in promoting healthy choices (especially if he wanted to possibly avoid the targeted authoritarianism many of his supporters had to endure). I give leeway for him to not be able to single handedly turn entire systems on their head in one fell swoop, and the debate could be on how consistent he is with what he portrays himself as, the same way we were able to judge Obama's "change" and Bush's "fiscal conservative / compassionate conservative / diplomatic" approach in contrast to their actions.

[Dashinka 24,505]

12 minutes ago, B_J said:

Yeah, you make a good point.  I voted in the Republican primary in 2016, I don't even remember who I voted for except it wasn't Trump.  GOP voters have to do better in the primaries.  And GOP politicians have to do better when they are nominated and elected.

If you go back and look at it, Trump and Bernie were the only ones actually talking about the issues people cared about.  Of course the Establishment wanted a Jeb Bush/Hillary, but that was a joke.  Now Trump is a pompous you know what, but one thing he never did was talk down to the electorate like what we saw from Hillary, and many other folks from the ruling class.  I do know Trump was not my first choice within the GOP, but I never got a chance to voice that in the primaries as I don't believe in registering as a Party member and MI requires that for the primary, but he was chosen which gave me a little respect for the GOP over the Dems since they actually let the people chose the candidate, but I bet the GOP won't let that happen again.

[B_J 2,752]

24 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Then we have to recognize (along with understand why) that an outsider is not going to be treated fairly. You're simply not going to get that from people that have such extensive personal animus toward Trump, and there's no sense in giving an ounce of validation. It's this very thing that prevents rational discussion on the issues Trump does have.. like being an outsider wanting to "drain the swamp" yet picking neocons in his cabinet, outsourcing the selection of judges and justices to an organization occupied by neoconservatives and neoliberal, leadership deficiencies in promoting healthy choices (especially if he wanted to possibly avoid the targeted authoritarianism many of his supporters had to endure). I give leeway for him to not be able to single handedly turn entire systems on their head in one fell swoop, and the debate could be on how consistent he is with what he portrays himself as, the same way we were able to judge Obama's "change" and Bush's "fiscal conservative / compassionate conservative / diplomatic" approach in contrast to their actions.

There have to be better outsiders, or non-politicians, that are out there.  I just can't see any of them wanting to run, especially as a Republican.  Obviously, they won't get even treatment from the press so they will have to use other methods like Trump did.  I have no problem with a candidate or president using nontraditional means to communicate, like Twitter, but don't complain about Saturday Night Live and garbage like that.  Use it to get your message out.  I really hope the issues that Trump had won't be the reason that other non-politicians aren't considered in the future.

 

8 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

If you go back and look at it, Trump and Bernie were the only ones actually talking about the issues people cared about.  Of course the Establishment wanted a Jeb Bush/Hillary, but that was a joke.  Now Trump is a pompous you know what, but one thing he never did was talk down to the electorate like what we saw from Hillary, and many other folks from the ruling class.  I do know Trump was not my first choice within the GOP, but I never got a chance to voice that in the primaries as I don't believe in registering as a Party member and MI requires that for the primary, but he was chosen which gave me a little respect for the GOP over the Dems since they actually let the people chose the candidate, but I bet the GOP won't let that happen again.

I really like the way we have things here in Texas.  Primaries are open, you can vote in either one you want and you don't register as R or D.  Also, early voting is great.  I think it starts about two weeks before the election and you can vote pretty much at any polling place.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

Yeah, he made the mistake of using people from inside DC.  There are no good people there within government.

 

 

  Well tbh, the outsiders did not fare any better really.  I'm not sure how much of that is on them, and/or how much is on Trump wanting things done his way. I had a manager once who wouldn't let us do our jobs, she just wanted to tell us how to do everything. Problem is she really didn't know anything about what we do, she just wanted everyone doing what she though we should be doing. It didn't work out for long.

[Dashinka 24,505]

5 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Well tbh, the outsiders did not fare any better really.  I'm not sure how much of that is on them, and/or how much is on Trump wanting things done his way. I had a manager once who wouldn't let us do our jobs, she just wanted to tell us how to do everything. Problem is she really didn't know anything about what we do, she just wanted everyone doing what she though we should be doing. It didn't work out for long.

Yep, had managers like that as well.  First lesson I learned when starting my professional life, don't start telling people what or how to do things until you know how to do it yourself, and if you want to learn how to do it listen to the people that are doing it.

[B_J 2,752]

5 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Must say that the Twitter legal response to Parler was a beautiful thing to read. A work of art from that law group. They chewed Parler up, spit them out, and then ran over them for good measure. I anticipate Parler will withdraw the suit, but if they persist they will be destroyed and laughed out of court. https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wawd.294664/gov.uscourts.wawd.294664.10.0_1.pdf

I finally got around to reading the link.  I am really not happy with the way Twitter and others are censoring certain things but it's also ridiculous what Parler allowed to stay.  There's really no way to justify allowing the types of threats that were listed to remain online.  

[yuna628 9,676]

2 hours ago, B_J said:

I finally got around to reading the link.  I am really not happy with the way Twitter and others are censoring certain things but it's also ridiculous what Parler allowed to stay.  There's really no way to justify allowing the types of threats that were listed to remain online.  

Parler really has no excuse for it's behavior, and it cannot expect to force a company to host stuff in breach of the contract. If the owner(s) really wanted a utopia, they'd be better off being less lazy and actually developing it into the place they claim they want it to be without relying on others. Pay actual moderators, flesh out terms that define what is and isn't allowed, and build their own architecture. It's curious how he says no one wants to host them, as I'm pretty sure there are places that will (a few come to mind that are more than happy to host the very worst of human nature).

[Boiler 45,520]

15 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Parler really has no excuse for it's behavior, and it cannot expect to force a company to host stuff in breach of the contract. If the owner(s) really wanted a utopia, they'd be better off being less lazy and actually developing it into the place they claim they want it to be without relying on others. Pay actual moderators, flesh out terms that define what is and isn't allowed, and build their own architecture. It's curious how he says no one wants to host them, as I'm pretty sure there are places that will (a few come to mind that are more than happy to host the very worst of human nature).

You can say the same about Twitter

 

And Facebook

 

And and and

[nykolos 711]

5 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

What exactly has Trump accomplished? 

Nothing, how could he? he suffers from Parkinsons disease and has been playing Golf for 4 years straight, not to mention he was on his death bed with Covid19.. If only Biden was President these last 4 years, 380,000 Americans would be alive today,  Biden would have shut down the borders in 2019, before we even knew about it. And the riots would never have happened, because Biden has a way of bringing people together, "Peace and Love" is how to calm violence from these white supremacists and Trump supporters who burned down Police Stations and injured over 700 officers,  they were the ones tearing down our statues, and attempting to tear down Abraham Lincoln's for freeing the slaves, the great Democrat who ever lived.. As for the election, how those Russians cleverly planted Hunters laptop to get Trump elected, didn't work this time did it?  And now were discussing Twitter and Facebook? the two companies who respect Free Speech, respect the First Amendment and ONLY remove accounts from dangerous individuals like Ron Paul.

 

My goal is to fit in here as best I can, I hope I done good.

 

 

[spookyturtle 9,465]

13 minutes ago, nykolos said:

Nothing, how could he? he suffers from Parkinsons disease and has been playing Golf for 4 years straight, not to mention he was on his death bed with Covid19.. If only Biden was President these last 4 years, 380,000 Americans would be alive today,  Biden would have shut down the borders in 2019, before we even knew about it. And the riots would never have happened, because Biden has a way of bringing people together, "Peace and Love" is how to calm violence from these white supremacists and Trump supporters who burned down Police Stations and injured over 700 officers,  they were the ones tearing down our statues, and attempting to tear down Abraham Lincoln's for freeing the slaves, the great Democrat who ever lived.. As for the election, how those Russians cleverly planted Hunters laptop to get Trump elected, didn't work this time did it?  And now were discussing Twitter and Facebook? the two companies who respect Free Speech, respect the First Amendment and ONLY remove accounts from dangerous individuals like Ron Paul.

 

My goal is to fit in here as best I can, I hope I done good.

 

 

Why do you keep bringing up Biden? 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

 

7 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

I like the idea of an outsider being President. For me it goes back to some of Iacocca’s business ideas. But character matters a lot. Trump wasn’t an outsider, he is an insider. 

This is true, but in respect to outsider and insider, Trump was not an insider Presidential candidate. He was only an insider in another sense of being a private billionaire and politicians wanting his money and connections. The GOP didn't even want to endorse him until literally everyone else was eliminated. There's this establishment apparatus that clearly has very comprehensive relationships between the media, both parties, bureaus, and so on, Trump was definitely not in it, and this apparatus, in a true entitled meritocratic sense, designates itself gatekeepers to federal elected office, especially the Presidency.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

46 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

 

This is true, but in respect to outsider and insider, Trump was not an insider Presidential candidate. He was only an insider in another sense of being a private billionaire and politicians wanting his money and connections. The GOP didn't even want to endorse him until literally everyone else was eliminated. There's this establishment apparatus that clearly has very comprehensive relationships between the media, both parties, bureaus, and so on, Trump was definitely not in it, and this apparatus, in a true entitled meritocratic sense, designates itself gatekeepers to federal elected office, especially the Presidency.

I agree.