Does the fiancee have to be in her country to be able to file for a fiancee visa?

[JeanneAdil 6,551]

3 hours ago, Cathi said:

You came here asking for advice and whenever someone tells you the truth, you always have an answer. So why even ask for advice?

I'm going to give you the truth about Muslim women, you can deny it all you want, but it's TRUE.

In Islam she is NOT allowed to marry anyone but a Muslim male.

Period.

End of story.

It does NOT matter if she "doesn't mind being married to a Christian", she cannot do it and until you understand that, she's just going to continue stringing you along. When you first "met" her she was living under her parent's roof and it was clear her father didn't approve of you. Now she's living illegally in Spain and telling you that she loves and misses you, that is a red flag in and of itself, she wants out of the situation she's in. 

There are huge red flags here that you're ignoring, even when others have pointed them out. You're blinded by love.

Listen, I am a Catholic women who has been married to a Muslim male(who is 21 years younger than me) for 9 years, I know A LOT about Islam. My husband's family is very liberal on the Muslim scale and I mean VERY liberal. My husband's own sister fell in love with a Christian guy several years ago and she broke it off because she knew it's against her religion and she would never have done anything to bring "shame" upon the family, even though I'm sure they would have allowed her to marry him.(She is now married to a Muslim). 

 

I'm sorry if what I said seems harsh but I am never one to sugar coat anything here. Immigration is a long, expensive, stressful undertaking and you really need to do a lot of research on Islam, let alone the fact that she's living illegally in Spain, before you consider any type of immigration. Again, just because she says she "doesn't mind being married to a Christian" does not mean that she can or will.

 

me too

i second all the above

[Marieke H 2,519]

1 hour ago, Taradao said:

She only needs two years of residency to be married.

Staying in a country illegally hoping you won't get caught is not residency.

 

Go meet her in person, really get to know her, discuss your ideas for the future and then see what both of you decide. 

[Taradao 4]

1 hour ago, JeanneAdil said:

you seem   to ignore things

1   big age difference means several years and lots of time spent together and i would say a marriage to get the visa and How with her being illegal?

2   she has to have permanent residency in Spain to do anything there which is a 5 year wait

Individuals can obtain permanent residency in Spain after having legally lived in the country for a period of five uninterrupted years. When they fulfill this specific condition, they can apply for permanent residency and then gain the right to live for the rest of their lives in the country.Dec 9, 2020

3   she still is muslim and Morocco puts that on the Moroccan passport and as a muslim woman she can not marry a Christain man so the need to wait 5 years again to change passport 

4    she needs the 2 Morcocco criminal reports and has to apply in person with her national ID card and passport to get these and u say she will never return to Morocco/ only for the US visa process does she need these but how do you provide something she can't get?

 

No one here is against loving anyone

but your issues are BIG RED flags

I am  not against an age difference but immigration is and your case will go years and years 

I understand every single issue you have raised here and mentioned by several other people.

I am mainly concern about getting criminal reports than anything else. Without them, I can not see how any kind of visas will be issued by immigration.

I just completed a little chat her with 2 hours ago, and she thinks she can get them. I don't why she can without returning to Morocco.

I even told her to marry a Spaniard so she gets legalized and has a path to citizenship. The answer was no.  She still wants to have a relationship with me. This is a truthful sentence that I am writing.

I am tired of all this bureaucratic bullcrap that I must jump in order for her to be with me. And you said, waiting years and years is NOT an option. I have to live my own life  independent of her what may happen to her.

 

At this juncture,  the odds of bringing her here is like climbing Mount Everest in the nude in the worst weather possible.

I may have to convince her that unless she can those criminal reports, there is no chance of any relationship and I am done with her. 

I am not the ugliest man here in Texas. I have proposals for relationships here where I live. My ex from which I have a beautiful 23-year daughter from a  blonde hair and green eyes woman. I just found that Moroccan women are pretty in their special way and that peak my interest.  This interest is fading like the end of the day in the fall.

[Taradao 4]

1 hour ago, Marieke H said:

Staying in a country illegally hoping you won't get caught is not residency.

 

Go meet her in person, really get to know her, discuss your ideas for the future, and then see what both of you decide. 

I am planning for a visit in the coming summer if and when I see if there are no side effects to the vaccinations.   Then I will take the vaccine and visit her. Spending quality together will bring the good, the bad, and unbearable traits of a person.  I was raised in Brazil and fluent in Portuguese so getting around Spain shouldn't present any problem at all.

Edited December 26, 2020 by Taradao
Incomplete paragraph

[Taradao 4]

14 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

Surely much more likely to deport her to morocco than put her in a Spanish jail if she’s caught ? Why spend taxpayer money on jailing someone who is not a danger that needs to be removed from society?

 

 

I agree with what you on what you stated about deportation. Here in the US, a man with a family and having a business with young children was deported back to Mexico last year. He lived here for over 30 years and never applied for even a green card. 

[JeanneAdil 6,551]

10 minutes ago, Taradao said:

I understand every single issue you have raised here and mentioned by several other people.

I am mainly concern about getting criminal reports than anything else. Without them, I can not see how any kind of visas will be issued by immigration.

I just completed a little chat her with 2 hours ago, and she thinks she can get them. I don't why she can without returning to Morocco.

I even told her to marry a Spaniard so she gets legalized and has a path to citizenship. The answer was no.  She still wants to have a relationship with me. This is a truthful sentence that I am writing.

I am tired of all this bureaucratic bullcrap that I must jump in order for her to be with me. And you said, waiting years and years is NOT an option. I have to live my own life  independent of her what may happen to her.

 

At this juncture,  the odds of bringing her here is like climbing Mount Everest in the nude in the worst weather possible.

I may have to convince her that unless she can those criminal reports, there is no chance of any relationship and I am done with her. 

I am not the ugliest man here in Texas. I have proposals for relationships here where I live. My ex from which I have a beautiful 23-year daughter from a  blonde hair and green eyes woman. I just found that Moroccan women are pretty in their special way and that peak my interest.  This interest is fading like the end of the day in the fall.

they are and i found the long black hair so beautiful as i am finnish and everyone around me when i grew up in a small finnish community was blond

but beauty is not the reason to marry

and i know you said you liked many other things about her

but she isn't (how to say) free in her circumstances to marry and get a US visa as an illegal (not displaced as a refugee but by family)

even getting the Morocco birth certificate is a problem as for some insane reason,  morocco birth certificates expire in 90 days 

 

so, glad you have listened and understand 

[payxibka 10,045]

20 minutes ago, Taradao said:

I understand every single issue you have raised here and mentioned by several other people.

I am mainly concern about getting criminal reports than anything else. Without them, I can not see how any kind of visas will be issued by immigration.

I just completed a little chat her with 2 hours ago, and she thinks she can get them. I don't why she can without returning to Morocco.

I even told her to marry a Spaniard so she gets legalized and has a path to citizenship. The answer was no.  She still wants to have a relationship with me. This is a truthful sentence that I am writing.

I am tired of all this bureaucratic bullcrap that I must jump in order for her to be with me. And you said, waiting years and years is NOT an option. I have to live my own life  independent of her what may happen to her.

 

At this juncture,  the odds of bringing her here is like climbing Mount Everest in the nude in the worst weather possible.

I may have to convince her that unless she can those criminal reports, there is no chance of any relationship and I am done with her. 

I am not the ugliest man here in Texas. I have proposals for relationships here where I live. My ex from which I have a beautiful 23-year daughter from a  blonde hair and green eyes woman. I just found that Moroccan women are pretty in their special way and that peak my interest.  This interest is fading like the end of the day in the fall.

Getting criminal records is the least of your worries as most countries have procedures to obtain from abroad 

[Taradao 4]

5 hours ago, Lucky Cat said:

I think you need to spend a LOT of time with her.  That is beneficial to the relationship as well as for immigration.  I think you know that her illegally entering and living in Spain is a major problem if your plan includes her immigration to the US.  The bottom line is that life together inside the US is probably at least a couple of years away even if she returns to Morocco.

Walk carefully and cautiously.  

I can only spend a couple of weeks out of a year because I have duties here in the US.  A couple of trips should clear the path to a yes or no for me, in terms of going forward or backtrack fast back home.

[Taradao 4]

3 hours ago, Ray.Bonaquist said:

My first unsolicited advice is that if you’re not yet in love with her, end the romantic relationship and find someone else because you both face a lot of challenges culturally, generationally, religiously, legally etc.

 

With that said, Muslim women do marry non-Muslim men although Islam forbids it. I have seen many in my time however those happened in non-Islamic countries like my original country.

 

 

It is good to have information ahead of time however let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves. Meet her in person and see how the relationship goes. People make sacrifices for love and after meeting you if the relationship goes smashingly well, she may be willing to return to her country to process the K1 or whichever visa. If you won’t be allowed to marry in Morocco because of religion, you can meet in a third country and get married.  

 

Your problems are not insurmountable. The important ingredient is that there is love and both parties are willing to sacrifice/risk to actualize this relationship. In order to ascertain that, you need to meet in person.

 

 

Ray, 

I agree with what you stated.  I do love her, but I am not sure about being in love with her all the time.

The insurmountable problems are surely will raise it ugly head soon enough when I think of the paperwork requested on her behalf. On the other hand, I have pass FBI clearance since I have a conceal carry permit and no past criminal history and not even a moving violation.

Hers is an immigration attorney's nightmare.

I will visit maybe this coming summer or early fall depending on how the people are reacting to the vaccines after a few months. I am not in standing line until the first hundred million takes theirs first. Lol

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

Morocco. Laayoune. Taiwan. Any others? What’s wrong with American women?  (This sounds more like you are actively looking elsewhere, than that you happened to meet her online doing something else.)
 

What do you think her purpose is in telling you other guys are asking her out? Another red flag. Sorry. The more I hear the less I like this. Be careful.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 26, 2020 by SusieQQQ

[Cathi 5,771]

4 hours ago, Taradao said:

Cathi,

Her father doesn't know about me only the mother. The mother gave me her blessings.

I don't know if she is stringing me along unless I spend some quality time and ask more questions. She even asks me if you can change her faith to Christianity. I told her that is a decision she has to make upon herself. No shape or form, I am changing my faith for anyone.

She escapes to Spain because of an abusive father. The mother remains silent.

I do understand the long and arduous process and will hire Visa Journey to do all the guidance and questioning before I decide to marry her.

I have two years ( the time it takes to be a resident of Spain to marry anyone who is not a Spaniard.)  Hopefully, I know if I made the right decision or move on.

I have known her for almost 4 years this coming May. It is not someone I scoop off the streets of Casablanca.

Thank you for your insights. I value all opinions and stated truths that are shared here.

I may be a little stubborn sometimes but I know when to walk away if the cons outweigh the pros.

Thanks again

 

Again, you're making excuses for her and not listening to a single word I said. Her mother's blessing means NOTHING without her father's. NOTHING. And trust me, her father knows or he wouldn't have kicked her out. Women are very protected in their culture and fathers don't just throw our their daughter's just because. I guarantee that fight was over you.. She cannot and will not convert, she's lying. I do not care if you've "known" her more a million years, plus one, you have never met her in real life. I'm not going to continue to argue with you because you refuse to hear me, or anyone else. Why ask for advice if you won't listen? I'm serious. I'm willing to bet she's not actually in Spain.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

8 minutes ago, Cathi said:

Again, you're making excuses for her and not listening to a single word I said. Her mother's blessing means NOTHING without her father's. NOTHING. And trust me, her father knows or he wouldn't have kicked her out. Women are very protected in their culture and fathers don't just throw our their daughter's just because. I guarantee that fight was over you.. She cannot and will not convert, she's lying. I do not care if you've "known" her more a million years, plus one, you have never met her in real life. I'm not going to continue to argue with you because you refuse to hear me, or anyone else. Why ask for advice if you won't listen? I'm serious. I'm willing to bet she's not actually in Spain.

I would be tempted to say, best case it was her kicked out because of just OP. 

[Cathi 5,771]

4 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

I would be tempted to say, best case it was her kicked out because of just OP. 

My thoughts, exactly.

[Taradao 4]

32 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

Morocco. Laayoune. Taiwan. Any others? What’s wrong with American women?  (This sounds more like you are actively looking elsewhere, than that you happened to meet her online doing something else.)
 

What do you think her purpose is in telling you other guys are asking her out? Another red flag. Sorry. The more I hear the less I like this. Be careful.

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing wrong with American women in general. It just didn't work out for me.  I will take your advice into consideration.

[Taradao 4]

35 minutes ago, Cathi said:

Again, you're making excuses for her and not listening to a single word I said. Her mother's blessing means NOTHING without her father's. NOTHING. And trust me, her father knows or he wouldn't have kicked her out. Women are very protected in their culture and fathers don't just throw our their daughter's just because. I guarantee that fight was over you.. She cannot and will not convert, she's lying. I do not care if you've "known" her more than a million years, plus one, you have never met her in real life. I'm not going to continue to argue with you because you refuse to hear me, or anyone else. Why ask for advice if you won't listen? I'm serious. I'm willing to bet she's not actually in Spain.

I do understand what you are telling me. I haven't gotten one green light from any of the people that are trying to help. 

Now you know that not only that my heart in a state of sorrow but my brain is realizing that this will never work.

Btw, going to ask her to take a selfie by some famous landmark in Spain. Just for my curiosity's sake.

Btw, Her male cousin from Morocco knows that she is no longer in Morocco. We chatted this morning.