Trump threatens to veto massive COVID bill, demands Congress make this big change

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

6 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

won't someone please think of the children horses?

[yuna628 9,676]

9 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Really though, even fiscal conservatives should want more money going out to American people and businesses. We are going to come out of this with massive debt at almost all levels of society. In this type of situation, given the options, it's actually a better thing for the federal government to assume more of that debt over individuals. It's the only chance we have for the economy to actually recover (without taking forever). The economy as a whole can't recover if every part of it is left to oblivion. Hard to even come up with what some of these people in congress are thinking. 

 

   

It's easy to know what they are thinking. You see they firmly believe that this is all a government handout, and we all really don't need the money... any sort of money at all. We neither deserve it or require it. They live in a different world of millions and mansions, and have no understanding of what the common man's life is like. And despite all that, people keep voting for them. Giving us back our money doesn't teach us to work hard enough, you see. We're all lazy and ungrateful, and this is all somehow our fault anyway, afterall we elected them. Of course it won't take long for the pivot to happen, when they find the words fiscal and responsible all over again on some talking points and repeat this for four years.

 

There is little in this bill that will help the economy to recover honestly. $600 or $2000 will not help, any more than $1200 did before. Help needs to be innovative, fundamental, and changing.

 

And of course he would say that he wants to give everyone $2000 or... well nothing at this point. Throw enough money at a problem and perhaps someone will like him. But it's more than that, he's never been fiscally conservative in the first place, so of course spending big money we don't have would feel attractive to him. It's how he lives and he has little understanding of how we live. The money will be used and gone and we will be back in this boat all over again, on repeat for months.. or years.

Edited December 23, 2020 by yuna628

[laylalex 7,284]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

It's easy to know what they are thinking. You see they firmly believe that this is all a government handout, and we all really don't need the money... any sort of money at all. We neither deserve it or require it. They live in a different world of millions and mansions, and have no understanding of what the common man's life is like. And despite all that, people keep voting for them. Giving us back our money doesn't teach us to work hard enough, you see. We're all lazy and ungrateful, and this is all somehow our fault anyway, afterall we elected them. Of course it won't take long for the pivot to happen, when they find the words fiscal and responsible all over again on some talking points and repeat this for four years.

 

There is little in this bill that will help the economy to recover honestly. $600 or $2000 will not help, any more than $1200 did before. Help needs to be innovative, fundamental, and changing.

 

And of course he would say that he wants to give everyone $2000 or... well nothing at this point. Throw enough money at a problem and perhaps someone will like him. But it's more than that, he's never been fiscally conservative in the first place, so of course spending big money we don't have would feel attractive to him. It's how he lives and he has little understanding of how we live. The money will be used and gone and we will be back in this boat all over again, on repeat for months.. or years.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

2 hours ago, yuna628 said:

It's easy to know what they are thinking. You see they firmly believe that this is all a government handout, and we all really don't need the money... any sort of money at all. We neither deserve it or require it. They live in a different world of millions and mansions, and have no understanding of what the common man's life is like. And despite all that, people keep voting for them. Giving us back our money doesn't teach us to work hard enough, you see. We're all lazy and ungrateful, and this is all somehow our fault anyway, afterall we elected them. Of course it won't take long for the pivot to happen, when they find the words fiscal and responsible all over again on some talking points and repeat this for four years.

 

There is little in this bill that will help the economy to recover honestly. $600 or $2000 will not help, any more than $1200 did before. Help needs to be innovative, fundamental, and changing.

 

And of course he would say that he wants to give everyone $2000 or... well nothing at this point. Throw enough money at a problem and perhaps someone will like him. But it's more than that, he's never been fiscally conservative in the first place, so of course spending big money we don't have would feel attractive to him. It's how he lives and he has little understanding of how we live. The money will be used and gone and we will be back in this boat all over again, on repeat for months.. or years.

Totally agreed in that Trump isn't and hasn't been a fiscal conservative, and that whether it was 600 or 2000 is both ridiculous when looking at the scope of overall damage done to the jobs and livelihood of Americans by these shutdowns. I think that's part of what makes this legislation so devastating. I also agree that it's funny Republicans (particularly in the media and Congress) are starting to chirp about fiscal responsibility after the last 4 years of ridiculous spending, and not just in the past year.

 

The other stuff.. ugh. It's like watching neighbors somehow on different planets. Millionaires in mansions? Don't want to return people's tax money? 🤨

Edited December 23, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Dashinka 24,499]

2 hours ago, yuna628 said:

It's easy to know what they are thinking. You see they firmly believe that this is all a government handout, and we all really don't need the money... any sort of money at all. We neither deserve it or require it. They live in a different world of millions and mansions, and have no understanding of what the common man's life is like. And despite all that, people keep voting for them. Giving us back our money doesn't teach us to work hard enough, you see. We're all lazy and ungrateful, and this is all somehow our fault anyway, afterall we elected them. Of course it won't take long for the pivot to happen, when they find the words fiscal and responsible all over again on some talking points and repeat this for four years.

 

There is little in this bill that will help the economy to recover honestly. $600 or $2000 will not help, any more than $1200 did before. Help needs to be innovative, fundamental, and changing.

 

And of course he would say that he wants to give everyone $2000 or... well nothing at this point. Throw enough money at a problem and perhaps someone will like him. But it's more than that, he's never been fiscally conservative in the first place, so of course spending big money we don't have would feel attractive to him. It's how he lives and he has little understanding of how we live. The money will be used and gone and we will be back in this boat all over again, on repeat for months.. or years.

You are correct, Trump has never been a fiscal conservative, I think that was obvious even back in 2016.  The GOP in general are just slightly more fiscally conservative than the Dems, and that is only just a few specific members.  I think the real issue is the optics of the relief Bill coming out at the same time as the continuing resolution that contains all the outrageous spending.  I agree with many of the other responses here that if we are going to spend the taxpayers money, it is better off back in the taxpayers hands rather than in the pockets of many of the foreign leaders that will be controlling it.  Overall, I am not a big fan of the spending in general, but as @Steeleballz mentioned, a lot of the economic woes of the past year were government manufactured.

[Prizm123 1,086]

what is sad is that the best thing in this bill is support for live music venues who have been absolutely destroyed by this stupid pandemic. its long overdue.

[yuna628 9,676]

14 minutes ago, Prizm123 said:

what is sad is that the best thing in this bill is support for live music venues who have been absolutely destroyed by this stupid pandemic. its long overdue.

Funding for arts and music stuff are some of the programs I've seen people opine as being wasteful. I actually do not mind spending in these areas, as funding for them is especially important now.

[Crazy Cat 41,857]

My mistake......wrong bill.

Edited December 23, 2020 by Lucky Cat

[laylalex 7,284]

6 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

My mistake......wrong bill.

Yeah, it's not this one.

[Crazy Cat 41,857]

3 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Yeah, it's not this one.

I just puked in the back of my mouth.  Thanks a lot.....😟

[laylalex 7,284]

7 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

I just puked in the back of my mouth.  Thanks a lot.....😟

Christmas is about giving and sharing after all! 🎄 

 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

9 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

I just puked in the back of my mouth.  Thanks a lot.....😟

is pucking in the back of your mouth even possible 

[Crazy Cat 41,857]

8 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Christmas is about giving and sharing after all! 🎄 

 

Thanks.  As a born-and-raised native of Arkansas, I know a lot about President Clinton.  I know things.........

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

1 minute ago, Lucky Cat said:

Thanks.  As a born-and-raised native of Arkansas, I know a lot about President Clinton.  I know things.........

Mods please delete Lucky's post, I dont want him to catch Arkancide

[Sunny_Skies 22]

Would anyone who just came here on a K1 (fiance) visa but doesn't have their green card yet be able to get the $600 or however much the check amounts to?