‘Prepare for war’: A local GOP official goes all-in with election conspiracy theories

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

3 minutes ago, moxy said:

We’ve had one topic yes, but what about second topic?

The OP sees views contesting the election as an election conspiracy, this topic is about election conspiracies. I don't see the issue you have, but I bow to your authority here.

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[moxy 1,051]

1 minute ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

The OP sees views contesting the election as an election conspiracy, this topic is about election conspiracies. I don't see the issue here, but I bow to your authority here.

I think you misunderstand me. I was hoping @Ban Hammer would read his Democratic book and summarize it in pristine fields, where it can breathe pure and unfettered by the banality that is Republican election conspiracy theories. It sounds much too worthy than to have to share the limelight with other, less worthy conspiracy theories.

[Prizm123 1,086]

30 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

i'll work my way through that one right after i finish the democrat playbook on how to steal an election.

which election was stolen?

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8 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

The OP sees views contesting the election as an election conspiracy, this topic is about election conspiracies. I don't see the issue you have, but I bow to your authority here.

You haven't a clue what the OP thinks, but let's visit the quotes from the elected official just a few miles from my home is spouting. 

 

“Prepare for war,” state Rep. Robert Sutherland, R-Granite Falls, wrote to followers Monday on his Facebook site, after declaring that “Joe Biden is not now, nor will ever be my President.”

“Is the ‘coup’ against the sitting President the start of a second ‘Civil War’ here in the USA?” Sutherland posted earlier, adding it would be “righteous” if Trump used the military to hold onto his presidency by force.

“What good and decent person would not conduct a war to defend Life, Liberty, the Pursuit of happiness, their families, their neighbors?” he said.

“This is about America. It’s being destroyed by evildoers. Patriots, will you join with me? I need to know. Lets raise the banner.”

 

Just now, Prizm123 said:

which election was stolen?

The one in North Nevada.

[laylalex 7,300]

16 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

The one in North Nevada.

Maybe New California? They signed onto that SCOTUS brief.

[Ban Hammer 13,489]

52 minutes ago, moxy said:

We’ve had one topic yes, but what about second topic?

don't start with the whataboutism, or layla will give us all a stern talking to.

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4 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

don't start with the whataboutism, or layla will give us all a stern talking to.

Well to be fair....

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6 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

The OP sees views contesting the election as an election conspiracy, this topic is about election conspiracies. I don't see the issue you have, but I bow to your authority here.

It's a topic because that's the narrative the left wing media is running with right now,  When a Democrat candidate exercises his right to contest an election as Al Gore did in 2000, his supporters played it as "seeking justice through the courts", but when a Republican contests the results of an election, out comes the narrative playbook choosing to label Republicans as conspiracy nut jobs..  Democrats like Jerry Nadler claimed all kinds of conspiracy theories in Florida, claiming voter machines were rigged, as much as I dislike this worthless POS, he had every right to investigate it to the end, because it's more about protecting the integrity of future elections, which Democrats have been trying to undermine for the last 2 decades.

Edited December 19, 2020 by nykolos

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10 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

Well to be fair....

Yeah, she derailed the thread with the second response.

[moxy 1,051]

6 hours ago, nykolos said:

It's a topic because that's the narrative the left wing media is running with right now,  When a Democrat candidate exercises his right to contest an election as Al Gore did in 2000, his supporters played it as "seeking justice through the courts", but when a Republican contests the results of an election, out comes the narrative playbook choosing to label Republicans as conspiracy nut jobs..  Democrats like Jerry Nadler claimed all kinds of conspiracy theories in Florida, claiming voter machines were rigged, as much as I dislike this worthless POS, he had every right to investigate it to the end, because it's more about protecting the integrity of future elections, which Democrats have been trying to undermine for the last 2 decades.

Not even a close comparison. Gore never called it a fraudulent election, Gore didn't file dozens of completely ridiculous lawsuits, Gore didn't encourage the most ridiculous conspiracy theories, Gore didn't throw tantrums, and if Gore had been President at the time, most importantly he would have kept doing his job instead of sulking and golfing. And when the Supreme Court decision didn't go his way, he graciously accepted it and ended his campaign. Bush v Gore showed that both men could be functional adults capable of accepting the will of the American people. This toddler we have in office (and I'm sorry, that's an insult to toddlers, I know) is no Al Gore or George W Bush.

 

Trump does have every right to pursue whatever litigation is open to him. He did, and it's over. He has no more avenues to challenge this election, no matter what conspiracy theories get cooked up by his base. It's time to acknowledge Biden as the President-elect, be gracious, and assist personally in the transition as every outgoing president has done before him. To pretend this is all normal and Democrats are making hay is ridiculous on the face of it. Dear god, stop following this rich, spoiled man-baby and take your party back.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

Stockstuffer idea

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

12 minutes ago, moxy said:

Not even a close comparison. Gore never called it a fraudulent election, Gore didn't file dozens of completely ridiculous lawsuits, Gore didn't encourage the most ridiculous conspiracy theories, Gore didn't throw tantrums, and if Gore had been President at the time, most importantly he would have kept doing his job instead of sulking and golfing. And when the Supreme Court decision didn't go his way, he graciously accepted it and ended his campaign. Bush v Gore showed that both men could be functional adults capable of accepting the will of the American people. This toddler we have in office (and I'm sorry, that's an insult to toddlers, I know) is no Al Gore or George W Bush.

 

Trump does have every right to pursue whatever litigation is open to him. He did, and it's over. He has no more avenues to challenge this election, no matter what conspiracy theories get cooked up by his base. It's time to acknowledge Biden as the President-elect, be gracious, and assist personally in the transition as every outgoing president has done before him. To pretend this is all normal and Democrats are making hay is ridiculous on the face of it. Dear god, stop following this rich, spoiled man-baby and take your party back.

It seems to me the memory issue here is those who have trouble looking back four years to what people in the Obama administration, including Biden, did to Trump, which is why this is seen as a partisan joke. Those who actually bothered doing so wouldn't be telling Trump to graciously accept anything from the people that put in so much effort to undermine his candidacy never mind transition and Presidency. I'm actually trying not to laugh as you describe the transition where they were doing counterintel on Trump, lying to him, and unmasking people in his administration, never mind already spying on them and doctoring FISA's, as "gracious". Such a lie is clearly being ignored, no one is wasting time with it.

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[moxy 1,051]

8 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

It seems to me the memory issue here is those who have trouble looking back four years to what people in the Obama administration, including Biden, did to Trump, which is why this is seen as a partisan joke. Those who actually bothered doing so wouldn't be telling Trump to graciously accept anything from the people that put in so much effort to undermine his candidacy never mind transition and Presidency. I'm actually trying not to laugh as you describe the transition where they were doing counterintel on Trump, lying to him, and unmasking people in his administration, never mind already spying on them and doctoring FISA's, as "gracious".

Hardcore Obama supporters refused to accept it, of course. Every presidency has its hardcore supporters, and they all scream some variation of "not my president." Stop using fringe elements as the standard to measure by.

 

Clinton called Trump immediately to concede. Obama followed up acknowledging Trump's win, and urged Americans to support the new President-elect. The Obamas invited the Trumps to the White House for a tour and dinner, exchanged gifts, and Trump himself even said the Obamas were welcoming and gracious. The Obama transition was as normal as it gets, and it continued an unbroken tradition of peaceful transitions and civil (until now) tradition since Washington.

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[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Just now, moxy said:

Hardcore Obama supporters refused to accept it, of course. Every presidency has its hardcore supporters, and they all scream some variation of "not my president." Stop using fringe elements as the standard to measure by.

 

Clinton called Trump immediately to concede. Obama followed up acknowledging Trump's win, and urged Americans to support the new President-elect. The Obamas invited the Trumps to the White House for a tour and dinner, exchanged gifts, and Trump himself even said the Obamas were welcoming and gracious. The Obama transition was as normal as it gets, and it continued an unbroken until now tradition since Washington.

In isolation, that call and outwardly gracious appearance would have meaning, but thankfully we know what Obama's admin did behind the scenes to Trump's campaign, transition, and Presidency. People involved were Comey, Rice, Biden, Yates, and a plethora of administrative bureau employees like Strzok, Page, etc, the former were not "fringe" elements, they were at the top of the executive, and Obama himself was well aware of what was going on and clearly consented to it all while doing the public show. The idea of any "gracious" transition is a myth.

[moxy 1,051]

Narratives like this are so toxic and damaging. Trying to gaslight people into believing that Trump's behavior is no worse than his predecessor is just so blatantly untrue and disingenuous. The Republican party needs a reformation, a wake-up call, and these kinds of narratives that Trump is a victim, Trump's behavior is normal, and Trump is some kind of misunderstood genius just keeps hitting snooze.