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[Dashinka 24,747]

44 minutes ago, moxy said:

And yet the Trump campaign is not arguing fraud in the courts. Yeah, they’re shouting it from the highest mountain tops in the media, but in the courtroom they have not. If I were a Trump supporter, I’d sure be curious about that.

I am curious as to why they are even doing this at all.  Is there election fraud, more than likely, is it enough to mean anything, probably not.  The big issue with this election is how we completely ignored the recommendations from the study done by President Carter and James Baker.

[moxy 1,051]

5 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

I am curious as to why they are even doing this at all.  Is there election fraud, more than likely, is it enough to mean anything, probably not.  The big issue with this election is how we completely ignored the recommendations from the study done by President Carter and James Baker.

Outside of a handful of cases of individual fraud (someone filled in their mom's ballot because she died a week before the election, etc) what meaningful fraud exists that has Trump supporters so concerned? If there's small incidences of individual fraud, but no evidence of widespread fraud, why is the President and his supporters insisting he won the election?

[Dashinka 24,747]

1 minute ago, moxy said:

Outside of a handful of cases of individual fraud (someone filled in their mom's ballot because she died a week before the election, etc) what meaningful fraud exists that has Trump supporters so concerned? If there's small incidences of individual fraud, but no evidence of widespread fraud, why is the President and his supporters insisting he won the election?

The biggest issue in my eyes are the statistics involved related to the number of votes for President and the numbers for the down ballot.  It seems fishy if there were so many votes for President only, which may be explained due to hatred for Trump, but it also could be related to vote harvesting.  Who knows, and we probably will never know.  Heck, the Dems are trying to figure this one out themselves as they never expected to lose so many House seats, and they expected to pick up more state legislatures.  

[Steeleballz 7,550]

3 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

The biggest issue in my eyes are the statistics involved related to the number of votes for President and the numbers for the down ballot.  It seems fishy if there were so many votes for President only, which may be explained due to hatred for Trump, but it also could be related to vote harvesting.  Who knows, and we probably will never know.  Heck, the Dems are trying to figure this one out themselves as they never expected to lose so many House seats, and they expected to pick up more state legislatures.  

 

    If it's inconceivable to Trump that he could have lost under any circumstances, and if all the other Republicans did much better than expected, perhaps we have to ask if maybe it's the Republicans who were cheating.

[Prizm123 1,086]

its more likely that people who voted for president just voted against trump and dont care about down ballots.

or that there were republicans who secretly hate trump but didnt want to say it publicly, and just voted against trump but for down ballot republicans

or a combination of both.

i dont buy into any nefarious schemes without proof that is actionable in court.

[moxy 1,051]

11 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

The biggest issue in my eyes are the statistics involved related to the number of votes for President and the numbers for the down ballot.  It seems fishy if there were so many votes for President only, which may be explained due to hatred for Trump, but it also could be related to vote harvesting.  Who knows, and we probably will never know.  Heck, the Dems are trying to figure this one out themselves as they never expected to lose so many House seats, and they expected to pick up more state legislatures.  

Trump and his legal team are saying (outside of the courtroom) there is massive voter fraud. I'm asking, where is that fraud? "Fishy" is one thing. Massive vote fraud is a completely different thing.

 

To address "fishy" recounts have been held in multiple states. What more should be done to address this fishiness?

[moxy 1,051]

4 minutes ago, Prizm123 said:

or that there were republicans who secretly hate trump but didnt want to say it publicly, and just voted against trump but for down ballot republicans

There were (anecdotally) a lot of Republicans who felt Trump didn't represent the character or goals of the GOP, who either left President blank, or voted for Biden. So this seems likely.

[Dashinka 24,747]

29 minutes ago, Prizm123 said:

its more likely that people who voted for president just voted against trump and dont care about down ballots.

or that there were republicans who secretly hate trump but didnt want to say it publicly, and just voted against trump but for down ballot republicans

or a combination of both.

i dont buy into any nefarious schemes without proof that is actionable in court.

Very possible, but it is just as likely that it was due to illegal vote harvesting which was made much easier this time around.

[moxy 1,051]

5 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Very possible, but it is just as likely that it was due to illegal vote harvesting which was made much easier this time around.

Why "just as likely"? There seems to be no evidence backing this up, and the Trump legal team isn't arguing it in court.

[Dashinka 24,747]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    If it's inconceivable to Trump that he could have lost under any circumstances, and if all the other Republicans did much better than expected, perhaps we have to ask if maybe it's the Republicans who were cheating.

Possibly, maybe we should find out.

[Dashinka 24,747]

51 minutes ago, moxy said:

Why "just as likely"? There seems to be no evidence backing this up, and the Trump legal team isn't arguing it in court.

That is the great thing about vote harvesting, the evidence trail is thin, but it does happen, and there is one Party that is very adept at doing it.  But like I said, I have accepted the results, and am now ready to show Joe Biden the respect a corrupt 47 year career politician deserves.

[moxy 1,051]

Just now, Dashinka said:

That is the great thing about vote harvesting, the evidence trail is thin, but it does happen, and there is one Party that is very adept at doing it.  But like I said, I have accepted the results, and am now ready to show Joe Biden the respect a corrupt 47 year career politician deserves.

 

Do you understand why non-supporters might push back, when we ask about proof of widespread voter fraud and the best you can come up with is "vote harvesting, the evidence is thin, but it does happen"? Do you think it might be harmful to push a narrative that is unsupported by any evidence?

 

Any idea why the Trump legal team is pushing a narrative of widespread voter fraud, but is not pursuing it in court?

[Dashinka 24,747]

50 minutes ago, moxy said:

 

Do you understand why non-supporters might push back, when we ask about proof of widespread voter fraud and the best you can come up with is "vote harvesting, the evidence is thin, but it does happen"? Do you think it might be harmful to push a narrative that is unsupported by any evidence?

 

Any idea why the Trump legal team is pushing a narrative of widespread voter fraud, but is not pursuing it in court?

Like I said, I have no idea except to maintain some level of excitement of his supporters.  Another theory is he is just following the Democrat playbook of creating a doubt narrative.  Who knows, but for the detractors of Trump that believed the narrative created by the last loser and allowed that to drag on for two plus years, it seems par for the course.

[moxy 1,051]

15 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Like I said, I have no idea except to maintain some level of excitement of his supporters.  Another theory is he is just following the Democrat playbook of creating a doubt narrative.  Who knows, but for the detractors of Trump that believed the narrative created by the last loser and allowed that to drag on for two plus years, it seems par for the course.

"The Democrats did it" seems a poor defense. Trump was supposed to "drain the swamp," not join them.

[TBoneTX 45,990]

7 hours ago, moxy said:

unsupported by any evidence

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/a_compilation_of_twenty_alleged_election_facts_that_dont_pass_the_smell_test.html