Source: Durham Investigation Closing Down Without Indictments, Scared of Biden Blowback

[TBoneTX 45,572]

If true, infernal [censored censored censored] wimp!  He'd be on the chopping block regardless.

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Source: Durham Investigation Closing Down Without Indictments, Scared of Biden Blowback

By Bonchie | Nov 15, 2020 4:45 PM ET

 

[...] it appears Durham successfully ran out the clock.  What many have suspected for a long time appears to be true, namely that no one will be held accountable for the corruption of the Trump-Russia investigation.  [...]

 

Continues here:    https://redstate.com/bonchie/2020/11/15/source-durham-investigation-winding-down-scared-of-biden-blowback-n280344  

[Boiler 45,717]

We can be reasonably sure the MSM will bury this.

[TBoneTX 45,572]

Perhaps, or they may trumpet it as yet another "victory."

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

21 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

If true, infernal [censored censored censored] wimp!  He'd be on the chopping block regardless.

Just like the healthcare plan, the wall, the trade treaties, the claims of heads rolling was a fugazzi

[TBoneTX 45,572]

The President was too passive in regard to pushing along that investigation, apparently preferring to let AG Barr oversee its progress.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

If your expectations all along were in the gutter with these departments/bureaus and their history, predictably, they just can't disappoint:

 

 

On 10/13/2020 at 5:44 PM, Burnt Reynolds said:

Told people to keep low expectations. These federal bureaus may have oversight divisions in name but they work in tandem against accountability. 

 

Wonder how many times people like Charlie Kirk and co monetized the Republican version of "Mueller Time" and were like "Here comes Barr/Durham/etc". The default position is there's no accountability until they prove it. 

 

On 5/6/2020 at 1:54 PM, Burnt Reynolds said:

I honestly don't think anything is going to result. I hope Barr/Durham prove me wrong, but both of these men have serious connections to these bureaus and they prefer preserving the status quo over cleaning house. It would be a monumental task to actually put those bureaus in check, and as time has proven with the IG/ICIG/Horowitz and co, even when they find very serious violations/crimes, they don't do what's necessary to prevent the occurrence, just prevent accountability. It's a self-perpetuating mechanism.

 

On 6/11/2020 at 6:49 PM, Burnt Reynolds said:

Indeed. Barr has a history with the swamp.. it's one of those things where because pretty much no one gets held accountable historically, it's not something to get one's hopes up for until you see it. Too many disappointments even thus far with learning of serious crimes and only hot air. 2 years since we learned of Strzok's texts and counting. I see no urgency for justice, so it had better come soon if it happens at all. 

 

On 4/12/2020 at 2:36 PM, Burnt Reynolds said:

Of course, seeing people charged and guilty, those in key positions of power, is actual proof that these laws have any meaning. As we've seen for decades, they have none. I was convinced after seeing no one but Scooter Libby go down in the first decade of this century, then pardoned, that the government was clearly beyond accountability. So it really isn't a surprise over a decade later you see bureau employees seeking to run the country by dictating who wins elections, who is President, etc. Even though Trump's election is a bump in the road, without convictions, without a serious response to place power back in the hands of people, there'll be more Comey's, more Strzok's, and so on, and America will be all the worse off for it. A very strong message needs to be sent to these government people that they had better respect the will of the people, and the people run this country, not them. In the end, I doubt anything happens to them. I think Barr is an okay guy, but he's also a neocon. He's not going to bite the hand that's fed him. People have more loyalty to their corrupt institutions than to the right thing.

 

On 12/11/2019 at 4:24 PM, Burnt Reynolds said:

Horowitz "rips".. 

Barr "blasts"..

☝️ Fox News.

 

 

 

Just like every time the fake news for the left played up the "bombshells", "walls were closing in", "beginning of the end", for every report or public statement, this is all meaningless posturing. 

 

It's obvious, just like last year's IG report, nothing is going to happen. Again, the IG is laying out a series of abusive actions, criminal motivations, by a swath of bureau people, to cover themselves (the IG) against liability (repercussions for not doing their job), but make a conclusion against holding anyone in the bureaus accountable (passing the "judgement" to Congress), to cover themselves from retaliatory action and personal harassment by the bureaus. Congress is going to make a big show about it, in tandem with the media, trying to rile up people on both sides while accomplishing absolutely nothing. 

 

Just a massive waste of time, money, and in the end, perpetuating the status quo of systemic abuse by people who the citizens have no check against. But these are people we should be fearful of, because those people that have been demonstrated to abuse power, hold power over all of us, anyways, and clearly no one that can hold them accountable is going to keep them in check, which always means this is going to get worse.

 

On 12/10/2019 at 3:40 PM, Burnt Reynolds said:

Barr has long been a member of that "deep state". He's in a position right now to rectify his prior transgressions, but people on the right (just like the left) are getting caught up in the galvanized fervor of words (which isn't far from what virtue signaling is, in that it does absolutely nothing useful) and really need to perceive whats useful and what isn't.

 

In other words, how meaningful is "blasting" things? Or just making accusations to the media? If there's no legal instrument holding anyone accountable, this is hot air. Actions, for me, is what will prove Barr isn't still in the "deep state". The primary strategy employed by both parties to perpetuate corruption is to act all bothered and use charged language to make it seem like they're going to do something about these abuses, but then they do absolutely nothing. Generally, this is because many of them are also the abusers. Someone that would actually hold corrupt officials in the government accountable likely is in danger. No one in the Bush administration went to prison over the Iraq War, no one went to prison over abuses against Americans i.e. spying, and no one is going to jail yet either for these abuses against Trump. What does that tell you about how well this government polices itself?

 

The abuses against Trump and countless Americans are tangible, and must be met with equally tangible punitive action. The IG is supposed to be one method of (investigatory) oversight against power abuses, and we saw proof last year, cemented yet again with this report, that they aren't oversight, they are basically tag along's posing as oversight. In these multiple reports, they sat there detailing pre-existing biases against Trump (serious corruption), followed by abuses against Trump (before and after elected/sworn in, meaning abuses against an American citizen, and attempting to overthrow an elected President), along with other Americans, but then the IG (Horowitz and co) sit there saying, to the horror of accountability, no one did anything biased or wrong. This really demonstrated how deeply-seeded corruption manifests itself in the federal government, and now, more than ever, the public needs oversight over these bureaus for them to justify their existence. They are not representing the American people, nor upholding laws, they are using their power as their own personal instruments against people, as detailed by Strzok and Page in their texts, their "leak strategy", and their "insurance policy" against Trump. The fact that this isn't chilling to around half of the American voting populace, demonstrating the level of intervention and tampering (in elections, in a President's exercise of basic policy-making authority), precisely illustrates why these abuses are done, and how psychologically off the deep end the left, in particular, are, that they have no problem with any of this, primarily fed by the infantile desire to get their way, and the bureaus helping use this compromised state, partnering with the media, Democrats, and even some Republicans, to facilitate getting their way.

 

On 11/19/2019 at 1:50 PM, Burnt Reynolds said:

Unbiased simply doesn't exist, whether left or right. If it's human, it's biased.

 

Even the most trustworthy legacy media has been proven, thanks to social media, as not trustworthy. 

 

At any rate, I don't know what to think of Bill Barr. From what I know of his history, he's a raging neocon. I can't be sure yet that he's actually doing anything useful for Trump until I see results, like indictments, rather than all this theater. PR and positioning has become a lot more blended with government actions, which is an even more disturbing recent trend. We see this with 17 intelligence bureau people leaking stories against Trump to affect election 2016, his Presidency, election 2020, see it with the Nadler and Schiff run House committees. Even see it in the GOP, with Flake, with Romney, with McCain, with Corker, Burr...

 

Either way, I'm a person who judges on actions. Barr to me is still a neocon until he proves himself otherwise. Neocons in the GOP (that aren't flocking to Dems) are a bigger threat to Trump than Democrats are.

 

On 11/17/2019 at 6:57 PM, Burnt Reynolds said:

My expectations: Lots of hot air, PR by both sides, no indictments, particularly of high level offenders.

 

People are apt to forget how useless the last IG report was, where crimes, criminal acts, and criminal mindsets were described, abuses that took place, people lying (under oath to Congress and courts), perjuring themselves, omitting exculpatory evidence, abusing power, but then gave the conclusion that there was no crimes. 

 

I have no reason to believe the rule of law is an actual thing in practice until they prove it.

 

All in all, ask yourself why Barr and Durham took on these roles to accomplish absolutely nothing. 

 

Also why people allowed themselves to get hyped up, over and over, for nothing. 

[Dashinka 24,629]

The only thing Trump could do is release all the evidence through declassification. Sure most in the State Media will ignore it, but not everyone.  There is little faith in the Federal Government, especially those bureaucrats based in DC, I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

[Prizm123 1,086]

the more likely story is that there was nothing to find

[Dashinka 24,629]

12 minutes ago, Prizm123 said:

the more likely story is that there was nothing to find

Swamp definitions of wrongdoings tend to be different than those used for the regular people.

[Prizm123 1,086]

occam's razor is what i tend to go with

[Dashinka 24,629]

1 minute ago, Prizm123 said:

occam's razor is what i tend to go with

Yeah, that doesn't seem to apply within DC circles.

[Prizm123 1,086]

its up to the individual to sort through it all and reach a conclusion. for something like this especially

[Dashinka 24,629]

11 minutes ago, Prizm123 said:

its up to the individual to sort through it all and reach a conclusion. for something like this especially

Hence the need for total transparency, not just the transparency they, the elite DC insiders, want you to see.

[Prizm123 1,086]

30 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Hence the need for total transparency, not just the transparency they, the elite DC insiders, want you to see.

goes both ways, you cant pick and choose. we would also need to have those conversations trump had with putin released that they had behind closed doors, tax returns, etc..... so if you want to blow open the doors and expose everyone, then by all means lets do so. i am in full agreement with you there. doesnt matter if it takes down democrat or republican.

 

[Dashinka 24,629]

15 minutes ago, Prizm123 said:

goes both ways, you cant pick and choose. we would also need to have those conversations trump had with putin released that they had behind closed doors, tax returns, etc..... so if you want to blow open the doors and expose everyone, then by all means lets do so. i am in full agreement with you there. doesnt matter if it takes down democrat or republican.

 

Nope, that is different.  I would never advocate for any President of any Party to be required to release discussions they have with other foreign leaders.  This is in no way comparable to releasing tax returns, or the dealings of a public charity, etc.  Your failure to understand the difference is a bit troubling, but keep wishing for it.  Releasing evidence used in an investigation that did not proceed further, much of it already known, is also not the same thing, and if it does further expose the swamp dwellers, all the better.