Opinion: 2020 Shows Why the Electoral College Is Stupid and Immoral

[Steeleballz 7,550]

19 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Should we also get rid of equal representation for each state in the Senate.

 

    The senate and house basically work as intended as far as the process of electing representatives. I would argue they are no longer functionally working as intended, but that is a different debate. The argument between popular vote vs state representation over the electoral college is actually settled in the house and senate elections. The house is essentially set up to be representative of population, and the senate is set up to give each state an equal voice. 

 

  It looks to me like the Republicans have a a slight inherent advantage in the senate, as rural states tend to go Republican in recent times, but the Democrats have a similar (slight) advantage in the house since it will tend to be more reflective of the popular vote. The states and the people are both represented in theory.

[Prizm123 1,086]

i go back and forth as to the EC, some days i think keep it, other days i think it should be tossed in the trash. i see both points represented, which i feel as though i am in a vast minority since people have seemed to stake out their positions and wont budge.

i dont really see a way to compromise on it and i absolutely abhor the idea of minority rule, but i do think they should have some representation.

it doesnt look like it is going anywhere, at least not in our lifetimes, so as imperfect as it is, its what we have to live with

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

The electoral college is there to ensure the votes of people all throughout the Republic mean something rather than in specific highly populated cities alone. Those who wish to blow up the system never make any argument beyond the same "majority should dictate everything", the Constitution was crafted the way it was to prevent national majorities from dictating everything. Clearly its wisdom is beyond some people.

Edited November 13, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

I will take the Electoral College over the popular vote any day warts and all.  Additionally, the President was never met to be a representative of the people, that is the job of the House.  Regardless, the states have their own power here and as we recently saw in CO, the entire movement for the popular vote is gaining a little steam.

Seriously, who is the president supposed to represent?

[Boiler 45,651]

Just now, CanAm1980 said:

Seriously, who is the president supposed to represent?

The American People

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

Just now, Boiler said:

The American People

We have people in Texas and we have people in Montana, which one should be represented more?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

  Keeping the current electoral process only gets more stupid if the interstate compact passes. If so many states want to legislate an end run around the process, just address the problems directly.

[yuna628 9,680]

While there is argument for and against the EC, Biden won both the electoral college and popular vote. Eliminating the EC would not stop the tantrum coming from the WH currently. It would seem that many states are figuring out the best way forward on the subject.

 

1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

  Keeping the current electoral process only gets more stupid if the interstate compact passes. If so many states want to legislate an end run around the process, just address the problems directly.

Why would Congress ever want to address a problem directly? Pfft! Silly you! That's just not how things work! 

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

28 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

While there is argument for and against the EC, Biden won both the electoral college and popular vote. Eliminating the EC would not stop the tantrum coming from the WH currently. It would seem that many states are figuring out the best way forward on the subject.

 

Why would Congress ever want to address a problem directly? Pfft! Silly you! That's just not how things work! 

Prediction: Win , lose or draw..Trump will have a tantrum.

[abum 324]

12 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

Prediction: Win , lose or draw..Trump will have a tantrum.

 

like back in 2016. 

 

 

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Clearly its wisdom is beyond some people.

Affidavit A:  

 

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by abum

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

While there is argument for and against the EC, Biden won both the electoral college and popular vote. Eliminating the EC would not stop the tantrum coming from the WH currently. It would seem that many states are figuring out the best way forward on the subject.

 

Why would Congress ever want to address a problem directly? Pfft! Silly you! That's just not how things work! 

 

 

   Interestingly they have looked at how the split electoral vote would have changed elections from 2000-2016. This model still gives more weight to congressional districts, but also gives some weight to the popular vote. The biggest change far and away would have been to give Romney the presidency in 2012. It also would have prevented the court battle in 2000 as GWB would have won the election outright without needing to wait for the outcome of a Florida recount. As much attention as this got in 2016, Trump would still have won 292-246 if all states split the votes the way Maine and Nebraska do. 

 

   I would like to see this happen, but I don't actually think we will see a change until/unless something completely outrageous and catastrophic results with the current process.

 

  

Edited November 13, 2020 by Steeleballz

[abum 324]

1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

 

   Interestingly they have looked at how the split electoral vote would have changed elections from 2000-2016. This model still gives more weight to congressional districts, but also gives some weight to the popular vote. The biggest change far and away would have been to give Romney the presidency in 2012. It also would have prevented the court battle in 2000 as GWB would have won the election outright without needing to wait for the outcome of a Florida recount. As much attention as this got in 2016, Trump would still have won 292-246 if all states split the votes the way Maine and Nebraska do. 

 

   I would like to see this happen, but I don't actually think we will see a change until/unless something completely outrageous and catastrophic results with the current process.

 

  

any links to that prediction/study? just wanna see how the votes got distributed 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 minute ago, abum said:

any links to that prediction/study? just wanna see how the votes got distributed 

 

  Here is one  

 

https://electoralvotemap.com/what-if-all-states-split-their-electoral-votes-like-maine-and-nebraska/

[Dashinka 24,579]

4 hours ago, abum said:

 

like back in 2016. 

 

 

Affidavit A:  

 

 

Are you forgetting about the tantrum from she who shall not be named in 2016?

[Prizm123 1,086]

well, as much as i wanted her to win, it was a bad look for her not to let it go and to constantly talk about it 2-3 years later. whats done is done and you cant change the past.

that being said, the upcoming meltdown for the next few years until he croaks or gets thrown in the slammer is going to be LEGEN-

wait for it.....

 

DARY