All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

and on another note, just saw on a youtube video that 1.5 BILLION disposable masks will wind up in the ocean this year.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fICEeITrw_c

 

[TBoneTX 45,288]

26 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

1.5 BILLION disposable masks will wind up in the ocean this year

It's hard to ignore 1.5 billion Chinese disposable masks.

[Neonred 3,562]

Has anyone gotten the vaccine yet?

 

Spoke with my son yesterday and he got it a week ago.  He's a PA working at a hospital in Portland OR.  It was the Pfizer version mostly because once thawed it has to be used quickly.  He said that by that evening he felt very fatigued and then all his joints started aching.  Injection site in the arm hurt a lot, just like a tetanus shot.  Needs to follow up in about 3 weeks with a second injection,  Will be interesting to see what the side effects will be that time.  There were a few anaphylactic  reactions at his hospital, but they were in people with numerous allergies.  

 

Still thinking about when  I will get mine.

[TBoneTX 45,288]

Uninoculated thus far.  See SB's earlier post about his people.

Isn't it 4 weeks between #1 & #2 shots?

With those side effects, some might wonder whether it's better to risk catching the virus...

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

3 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Uninoculated thus far.  See SB's earlier post about his people.

Isn't it 4 weeks between #1 & #2 shots?

With those side effects, some might wonder whether it's better to risk catching the virus...

Sore arm, aching joints and fatigue for a day or ICU on a vent. Coin toss huh.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

5 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Uninoculated thus far.  See SB's earlier post about his people.

Isn't it 4 weeks between #1 & #2 shots?

With those side effects, some might wonder whether it's better to risk catching the virus...

 

  It's 4 weeks for the Moderna vaccine and 3 weeks for the Pfizer. I saw a report today that Moderna did a phase 3 trial with a single dose that had an efficacy of 80-90%, and the second dose increases that to 95%. They are not sure if the second dose provides longer term coverage or not. I won't be  surprised if they eventually decide that 1 dose is sufficient. IIRC, that's how it was with the 2009 H1N1 vaccine. The first people got 2 shots, but after a couple of months, they decided 1 was fine.

 

  Besides fatigue and sore arm, I did have a couple of migraines in the days after the vaccine. I haven't had migraines for 20 years. I have also given Ibuprofen to a few people at work who have had bad headaches. It's just a 1 or 2 day thing, so as NB said, it's still a better alternative than getting Covid severely, but I am going to be watching for how people react to the second dose.  If the second dose is twice as bad, I could tolerate that for a few days. If it's 10X as bad, that would really suck for an extra 5% coverage.

[Dashinka 24,494]

14 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Uninoculated thus far.  See SB's earlier post about his people.

Isn't it 4 weeks between #1 & #2 shots?

With those side effects, some might wonder whether it's better to risk catching the virus...

I heard 21 days for the Pfizer which SB confirmed, and by my math (Old Math) is 3 weeks.  New Math may be a different story.

Edited January 1, 2021 by Dashinka

[TBoneTX 45,288]

11 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Sore arm, aching joints and fatigue for a day or ICU on a vent. Coin toss huh.

Well, YOU'RE a real party-pooper, ain'tcha?

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

   Wasn’t Elon Musk just complaining about how difficult it has been to make money out there in California? 

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

5 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

   Wasn’t Elon Musk just complaining about how difficult it has been to make money out there in California? 

maybe he got richer moving to texas?

[TBoneTX 45,288]

Just the difference in taxes enriched him measurably, I bet.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Ban Hammer said:

maybe he got richer moving to texas?

 

  Certainly could be making more in Texas, but contrary to his assertions, it seems he wasn't really doing all that bad in California either. 

[TBoneTX 45,288]

And he moved to the People's Republic of Austin, which belongs in California anyway.

[yuna628 9,676]

It is not surprising that the richest tier may get richer in a pandemic. With everything, most people think of the bad effects a pandemic will cause, and rarely think about the good effects. How could there possibly be any good effects you might wonder? When I say good, I'm moreso meaning natural but not necessarily harmful effects of a free market. Many of the above are business-owners of large corporations. So while restaurants and other retail that is restricted during a pandemic may take a big hit with money, jobs, and services - you're going to find others will thrive.

 

Pandemics will increase the demand on some products and services, while reducing in other areas that may have once been in high demand. This will cause shortages and even higher prices, as the demand puts severe pressure in some sectors to keep up. Aluminum, tin, electronics, food and household goods, and cardboard. Demand on delivery services will rise. It's not surprising that Amazon is exploding with wealth even more than it was before - we simply are buying tons of stuff from home. As a greater emphasis is placed on healthier living, staying at home and/or exercise - we see extra demand on sneakers like Nike instead of fashionable shoes. Even fashion choices and demand will change to adjust. The sales of chairs/home office equipment, computers all went crazy. My husband tells me there are months and months of waiting lists to obtain recording and AV equipment that costs thousands of dollars as institutions and businesses rush to adapt to work/teach at home. Some institutions have decided to dip into budgets and do renovations while students/staff aren't present and there are no more excuses.

 

Toiler paper, food, cans, medicines, cleaning goods shortages, were all due to extreme demand on an industry that has had to make big adjustments to keep up. That means they're actually making more money than ever before. Less demand on some food products has made companies remove those quantities and keep stocking brands that are in highest demand. It means we end up having less choices in some regards as usual as the companies themselves cannot afford to be too choosy. Some items are raising in price. Home improvement stores in my town have become like the local watering hole, and they can barely keep up with demand. And while restaurants in many places are hit hard, others have adapted with smaller and cleaner menus, fast takeout, and alcohol sales (which have been generously allowed by the governor). Disinfecting/cleaning companies are in high demand, and as we know medical supplies and everything involved in making them are critical.

 

You'd be surprised what industries have thrived. Cookware companies, spice and herb companies, craft/sewing supplies, fabric, streaming services, vitamins, dog food (there are shortages now), canning companies can barely keep up, tv dinners, and prepackaged goods, dollar stores, and yes even house flipping/house sales are all booming. I've seen no shortage of new small businesses opening too.

Edited January 2, 2021 by yuna628