All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)

[yuna628 9,676]

13 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

OK, that is fine, but what data lead to Dr. Shirazian's conclusion?

I think if you type the words "vaccines and fertility" into google you'd be off to a great start at finding numerous studies, datapoints, and answers on the subject. Since most of the stuff in this thread is full of misinformation these days, I don't know if you're really interested or not. I hope so, but I haven't got the time to present a marathon wall of text that may or may not satisfy you. Dr Clancy would say we do need more studies, in particular more research and funds dedicated to various OBGYN causes. 

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

All we need is time.  Time will reveal most everything that we have only been guessing about the past two years.  Has already begun.

 

And yes, Yuna, I understand that many things can affect a period.  Stress is probably chief among them.  Anecdotally, I know a woman who had already been thru menopause several years ago, and started bleeding again after the second jab.  Another (younger) lady started bleeding daily and did not stop for almost six months.  I know several women whose cycles were either wacky, or had heavier bleeding, or both.  As logic dictates, we never know HOW a drug will affect us until we inject it.  And THAT'S the main reason it should be everyone's choice, not a "mandate".

To be fair, the examples I gave, as well as the survey, are still the minority of women.  What we will never know, however, is how many women had those symptoms but never reported them?  Again, time will reveal whether or not it is statistically significant.  But to ignore the concept, or to downplay it at this early point in time is foolhardy, IMO.  You should be old enough to remember that thalidomide was deemed safe, right up to the point it was recalled.  (ditto the hundreds of other FDA approved drugs that have been recalled).

[beloved_dingo 1,979]

13 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

All we need is time.  Time will reveal most everything that we have only been guessing about the past two years.  Has already begun.

 

And yes, Yuna, I understand that many things can affect a period.  Stress is probably chief among them.  Anecdotally, I know a woman who had already been thru menopause several years ago, and started bleeding again after the second jab.  Another (younger) lady started bleeding daily and did not stop for almost six months.  I know several women whose cycles were either wacky, or had heavier bleeding, or both.  As logic dictates, we never know HOW a drug will affect us until we inject it.  And THAT'S the main reason it should be everyone's choice, not a "mandate".

To be fair, the examples I gave, as well as the survey, are still the minority of women.  What we will never know, however, is how many women had those symptoms but never reported them?  Again, time will reveal whether or not it is statistically significant.  But to ignore the concept, or to downplay it at this early point in time is foolhardy, IMO.  You should be old enough to remember that thalidomide was deemed safe, right up to the point it was recalled.  (ditto the hundreds of other FDA approved drugs that have been recalled).

Correlation without proof of causation doesn't tell us much though or necessarily mean anything. 

 

A great way to show how ridiculous (and meaningless) correlation can be: http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations 

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

3 minutes ago, beloved_dingo said:

Correlation without proof of causation doesn't tell us much though or necessarily mean anything. 

 

A great way to show how ridiculous (and meaningless) correlation can be: http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations 

While true, one needs to be aware of events around them to even know there is the potential for something.  

As an example, I was once forced to take an un-tested vax.  A couple of weeks later, I developed Bell's Palsy.  Causation or coincidence?  I'll never know.  The "experts" say Bell's Palsy from drugs isn't likely.  Then again, after all these years, they don't really know WHAT causes it, nor how to cure it.  

Personally, I research any and all new drugs I am prescribed, and their potential side effects with any other drugs I might take with it now or in the future.  Doctors don't always know best.

[Dashinka 24,512]

46 minutes ago, beloved_dingo said:

Correlation without proof of causation doesn't tell us much though or necessarily mean anything. 

 

A great way to show how ridiculous (and meaningless) correlation can be: http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations 

Which was the basis for my earlier questions.  The one thing we really have no data on with respect to the Covid jabs is long-term effects (more than 2 years of exposure), and yet we get the government(s), as well as the mainstream media pushing this experiment onto children as young as 6 months and continually telling us to get more jabs of this experiment.  Seems very reckless considering what we know about Covid and young people.  Heck, even most of the countries in the EU are discouraging children get a Covid jab.  I know my Dr. is cooling toward "boosters".

[Dashinka 24,512]

38 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

While true, one needs to be aware of events around them to even know there is the potential for something.  

As an example, I was once forced to take an un-tested vax.  A couple of weeks later, I developed Bell's Palsy.  Causation or coincidence?  I'll never know.  The "experts" say Bell's Palsy from drugs isn't likely.  Then again, after all these years, they don't really know WHAT causes it, nor how to cure it.  

Personally, I research any and all new drugs I am prescribed, and their potential side effects with any other drugs I might take with it now or in the future.  Doctors don't always know best.

Considering all the reports in the vaccine reporting system after the Covid jab started, there really does seem to be some causation.

[yuna628 9,676]

1 hour ago, LIBrty4all said:

All we need is time.  Time will reveal most everything that we have only been guessing about the past two years.  Has already begun.

 

And yes, Yuna, I understand that many things can affect a period.  Stress is probably chief among them.  Anecdotally, I know a woman who had already been thru menopause several years ago, and started bleeding again after the second jab.  Another (younger) lady started bleeding daily and did not stop for almost six months.  I know several women whose cycles were either wacky, or had heavier bleeding, or both.  As logic dictates, we never know HOW a drug will affect us until we inject it.  And THAT'S the main reason it should be everyone's choice, not a "mandate".

To be fair, the examples I gave, as well as the survey, are still the minority of women.  What we will never know, however, is how many women had those symptoms but never reported them?  Again, time will reveal whether or not it is statistically significant.  But to ignore the concept, or to downplay it at this early point in time is foolhardy, IMO.  You should be old enough to remember that thalidomide was deemed safe, right up to the point it was recalled.  (ditto the hundreds of other FDA approved drugs that have been recalled).

 

I cannot attest to what your lady friends experienced, don't know their case history or medication history. I know what I experienced, and I can compare that to some other women I know who had other temporary issues BEFORE the booster (I say before the booster because typically after the booster is when some other unpleasant effects started for some likely thousands of mostly but not all - women). I marked my experience as odd, even remarkably significant in how it could cause a change within hours of being administered. I know my history well, have had many tests and scans prior to the pandemic to find out why for instance I could go for half a year with no pregnancy and no period, or why I had unexplained pelvic pain, why I had extreme bleeding and anemia. I struggled through years of birth control which did not help my diagnosis and intense side effects - including the reverse, where like your friend I bled every day for 8 months and required bed rest, IV infusions, and an abnormal amount of medication. And then I stopped and realized those pills were not helping and I should stop worrying so much about my fertility and start focusing on insulin resistance. With a new treatment plan, life started to be as normal as it could. But inevitably due to the 'timing' of the vaccines, something in the cycle would go abnormal again. I realize that likely has a lot to do with stress responses, certain sensitivities, and pro-inflammation because of a pre-existing condition. Each time, with patience and keeping up with my daily regimen my cycle lapse, was just as Dr Clancy noted - temporary.

 

To the contrary I'm not downplaying it's significance, and it's something that Dr Clancy was extremely annoyed about when the NIH did not want to proceed any further. If we can help women understand what is going on with their cycles a lot of stress would be alleviated in their lives. There has always been an underlying push to tie menstruation and 'normalcy' with fertility, to accept that certain procedures should be done on us with little pain relief as an answer, or to accept the level of side effects in birth control is just what we need to deal with to experience life without our bodies being controlled with unending bleeding or bleeding that never happens.

 

I would say that women should be cautious if they do become infected with COVID regarding treatment options and could expect cycles to go haywire. While a lot of talk is always about Paxlovid, Molnupiravir is still being given to a lot of people and there are serious risks not being discussed at all. There are also extremely harmful risks of Long COVID to a woman's body.

Edited July 25, 2022 by yuna628

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

 

I cannot attest to what your lady friends experienced, don't know their case history or medication history. I know what I experienced, and I can compare that to some other women I know who had other temporary issues BEFORE the booster (I say before the booster because typically after the booster is when some other unpleasant effects started for some likely thousands of mostly but not all - women). I marked my experience as odd, even remarkably significant in how it could cause a change within hours of being administered. I know my history well, have had many tests and scans prior to the pandemic to find out why for instance I could go for half a year with no pregnancy and no period, or why I had unexplained pelvic pain, why I had extreme bleeding and anemia. I struggled through years of birth control which did not help my diagnosis and intense side effects - including the reverse, where like your friend I bled every day for 8 months and required bed rest, IV infusions, and an abnormal amount of medication. And then I stopped and realized those pills were not helping and I should stop worrying so much about my fertility and start focusing on insulin resistance. With a new treatment plan, life started to be as normal as it could. But inevitably due to the 'timing' of the vaccines, something in the cycle would go abnormal again. I realize that likely has a lot to do with stress responses, certain sensitivities, and pro-inflammation because of a pre-existing condition. Each time, with patience and keeping up with my daily regimen my cycle lapse, was just as Dr Clancy noted - temporary.

 

To the contrary I'm not downplaying it's significance, and it's something that Dr Clancy was extremely annoyed about when the NIH did not want to proceed any further. If we can help women understand what is going on with their cycles a lot of stress would be alleviated in their lives. There has always been an underlying push to tie menstruation and 'normalcy' with fertility, to accept that certain procedures should be done on us with little pain relief as an answer, or to accept the level of side effects in birth control is just what we need to deal with to experience life without our bodies being controlled with unending bleeding or bleeding that never happens.

 

I would say that women should be cautious if they do become infected with COVID regarding treatment options and could expect cycles to go haywire. While a lot of talk is always about Paxlovid, Molnupiravir is still being given to a lot of people and there are serious risks not being discussed at all. There are also extremely harmful risks of Long COVID to a woman's body.

I'm out of upvotes, but I appreciate and respect not only you sharing YOUR personal experience but providing thoughtful input, and I'm sure others here do too.  I know you are more in tune with your health than many women today, and it's interesting you noticed the effects so quickly.  (I wish I could provide more info as to the ladies' health prior to the shots, but alas, not privy.  At the end of the day, I'm sure these symptoms will self-resolve, and in 4/5 of the instances, the women don't want kids, so it's likely no big deal.)

 

Just like "most people have no adverse effects" from the experimental drugs doesn't mean "it is safe for all"...  we cannot disregard all the SADS going on lately.  For me, the telling statistic is the uptick in insurance claims.   (Though the actual causes of death are typically never published)

Another anecdotal example: A co worker was in good health.  Got the second jab late last year, developed heart issues, and could no longer work.  After several months of this, he committed suicide.  He did NOT die from the jabs... yet, he did.  Knew he was never going back to work, couldn't support his family.  But the life insurance policy could.  He is a statistic, but the wrong one, sadly.  Only about 50 people know the real deal.


ETA: One lady with whom I am closely associated, in very good health and only 37, worked out 7 days a week... she not only described menstrual changes for about 9 months, she said she developed a "mental fog" for nearly a year.  When I pressed for more info, she described it as almost depression; didn't want to work out any longer, found it difficult to concentrate, didn't even enjoy talking to her husband or family.  She said she couldn't explain it, but it started shortly after her second jab.  Thankfully, she is feeling more like her old self these days, has started exercising again, and reported her cycles "back to normal".  Lucky gal.

Edited July 25, 2022 by LIBrty4all

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

 

[Mike E 11,739]

The VAERS hockey stick since the roll out of Covid-19 vaccines says it all for me.  This is a disproportionately unsafe vaccine.  Which was fine when it was actually preventing transmission. It doesn’t now. 

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

47 minutes ago, Mike E said:

The VAERS hockey stick since the roll out of Covid-19 vaccines says it all for me.  This is a disproportionately unsafe vaccine.  Which was fine when it was actually preventing transmission. It doesn’t now. 

Technically, it NEVER prevented transmission.  We were lied to about that, among other things.

 

 

[TBoneTX 45,305]

9 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

suicide [...] life insurance policy

Would be interesting to learn which life insurance will pay after a suicide.

[Dashinka 24,512]

10 hours ago, Mike E said:

The VAERS hockey stick since the roll out of Covid-19 vaccines says it all for me.  This is a disproportionately unsafe vaccine.  Which was fine when it was actually preventing transmission. It doesn’t now. 

Interesting how the Michael Mann created hockey stick got so much notice, but this one is completely ignored.

[Dashinka 24,512]

A great review of what should have been the proper response to this pandemic.  Of course given the state of our government(s), I doubt any lessons will be left unlearned.

 

It’s Time to Award the Covid Nobels

 

The Nobel jurors in Norway should be honoring the pandemic’s true heroes, starting with an obvious candidate across their border: Anders Tegnell, the state epidemiologist of Sweden. While the WHO and the rest of the world panicked, he kept calm. While leaders elsewhere crippled their societies, he kept Sweden free and open. While public-health officials ignored their own pre-Covid plans for a pandemic—and the reams of reports warning that lockdowns, school closures, and masks would accomplish little or nothing—Tegnell actually stuck to the plan and heeded the scientific evidence.

Journalists pilloried him for not joining in the hysteria, but he has been proven right. In Sweden, the overall rate of excess mortality—a measure of the number of deaths more than normal from all causes—during the pandemic is one of the lowest in Europe. Swedish children kept going to school and did not suffer the learning loss so common elsewhere. Swedish children and adults went on with their lives, following Tegnell’s advice not to wear masks as they continued going to schools, stores, churches, playgrounds, gyms, and restaurants. And fewer of them died than in most of the American states and European countries that delayed medical treatments, bankrupted businesses, impoverished workers, stunted children’s emotional and cognitive growth, and stripped their citizens of fundamental liberties.

https://www.city-journal.org/the-who-does-not-deserve-the-nobel-peace-prize

 

[Dashinka 24,512]

11 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Technically, it NEVER prevented transmission.  We were lied to about that, among other things.

 

 

The scarf lady seems to agree.  Just a lot of gaslighting by our "betters".

 

COVID expert Deborah Birx says she 'knew' vaccines 'were not going to protect against infection'

 

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/covid-expert-deborah-birx-says-she-knew-vaccines-were-not-going-protect