All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)

[TBoneTX 46,076]

4 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Gotta love the pronouncements of Covid maker Fauci.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10054723/Fauci-says-soon-know-families-gather-Christmas.html

That clown is insane and should be institutionalized.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

1 hour ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

10+

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

 

[laylalex 7,300]

So I found the actual site that that chart was compiled from and used the same date parameters, starting 6/21/21 and ending 9/5/2021 and replicated the chart:

 

So we can see that on that date, there were 0.10 deaths per million people in Sweden and 3.51 deaths per million in Israel on September 5th. 

 

According to worldometers.info, the current population of Sweden is ===  https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/sweden-population/

 

And the current population of Israel is 8,831,156 https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/israel-population/

 

So on 9/5/21, about 10 Swedes died from COVID and about 31 Israelis died from COVID, a difference of 21 people. All of these deaths are sad, but we need to remember that correlation does not equal causation.

 

It's also good to note that about 65% of Swedes are fully vaccinated now (https://ycharts.com/indicators/sweden_coronavirus_full_vaccination_rate) and also that population density is higher in Israel (400 per Km²) than in Sweden (25 per Km²) (info from those links above from worldometers.info). Were there other factors not disclosed in the hard data, like any superspreader events? Why was September 5th chosen? 

 

Here's the overall Sweden/Israel comparison: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths?country=SWE~ISR

[Dashinka 24,778]

2 hours ago, laylalex said:

So I found the actual site that that chart was compiled from and used the same date parameters, starting 6/21/21 and ending 9/5/2021 and replicated the chart:

 

So we can see that on that date, there were 0.10 deaths per million people in Sweden and 3.51 deaths per million in Israel on September 5th. 

 

According to worldometers.info, the current population of Sweden is ===  https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/sweden-population/

 

And the current population of Israel is 8,831,156 https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/israel-population/

 

So on 9/5/21, about 10 Swedes died from COVID and about 31 Israelis died from COVID, a difference of 21 people. All of these deaths are sad, but we need to remember that correlation does not equal causation.

 

It's also good to note that about 65% of Swedes are fully vaccinated now (https://ycharts.com/indicators/sweden_coronavirus_full_vaccination_rate) and also that population density is higher in Israel (400 per Km²) than in Sweden (25 per Km²) (info from those links above from worldometers.info). Were there other factors not disclosed in the hard data, like any superspreader events? Why was September 5th chosen? 

 

Here's the overall Sweden/Israel comparison: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths?country=SWE~ISR

So what you are suggesting is that we are moving into the epidemic phase of this thing, and we can move to the same strategy we use with the flu.  Btw, I believe Sweden counts Covid recoveries similar to vaccinated which everyone should.  

[Dashinka 24,778]

How does Fauci and Collins still have a job and personal freedom?  I did hear Collins planned to resign, will the DOJ get involved, or are they too busy harassing parents of school aged children.

 

Wuhan scientists and US researchers planned to create a new coronavirus in 2018: Consortium led by Brit Peter Daszak asked DARPA to fund research at lab in city where Covid pandemic began
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10062775/US-Chinese-scientists-planning-create-brand-new-coronavirus-leaked-proposals-show.html

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

So 0.10 deaths per million is about the same as 3.51 deaths per million.  Interesting analysis.

 

Also, I think the point is that the number of deaths in Israel jumped considerably after the 3rd jab.  But I'm no statistician.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

"LET'S GO BRANDON!!"

 

17 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

 

[Dashinka 24,778]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I am sure everyone at that game was wearing masks, and there was no obscene chanting going on with respect to the current idiot in the WH.

[TBoneTX 46,076]

3 hours ago, Dashinka said:

will the DOJ get involved, or are they too busy harassing parents of school aged children.

The DOJ shall diligently refrain from questioning The Science.

[laylalex 7,300]

3 hours ago, Dashinka said:

So what you are suggesting is that we are moving into the epidemic phase of this thing, and we can move to the same strategy we use with the flu.  Btw, I believe Sweden counts Covid recoveries similar to vaccinated which everyone should.  

Actually I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort -- I was presenting what the actual numbers are. I'm not sure where anyone else is getting their math from -- I took mine from worldometers and I showed my work. I'm sorry if it bothered anyone that I was trying to present some more context.

 

3 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

So 0.10 deaths per million is about the same as 3.51 deaths per million.  Interesting analysis.

 

Also, I think the point is that the number of deaths in Israel jumped considerably after the 3rd jab.  But I'm no statistician.

No, it's not. That's not what I said -- please stop putting words in my mouth. I showed my work. 31 people on one particular day in Israel, and 10 on the same day in Sweden. We don't know -- sorry, I don't know -- what the particular reasons were for the bump in deaths. If you look at the current data, deaths in Israel have tracked down since September 5th, and Sweden has ticked up. Why? I don't know, I'm no epidemiologist. What I do know is that the daily increase in the number of deaths in Israel happened to correlate with the rollout (I presume -- I do not know the precise date of the introduction) of the third jab. Okay, that's one data point. What are the other data points? Are there other variables we can dismiss, investigate, adopt? Do you know these? I don't, and I would be happy to hear them.

 

Here's the Israel-Sweden comparison link again: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths?country=SWE~ISR

[Dashinka 24,778]

8 hours ago, laylalex said:

Actually I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort -- I was presenting what the actual numbers are. I'm not sure where anyone else is getting their math from -- I took mine from worldometers and I showed my work. I'm sorry if it bothered anyone that I was trying to present some more context.

 

No, it's not. That's not what I said -- please stop putting words in my mouth. I showed my work. 31 people on one particular day in Israel, and 10 on the same day in Sweden. We don't know -- sorry, I don't know -- what the particular reasons were for the bump in deaths. If you look at the current data, deaths in Israel have tracked down since September 5th, and Sweden has ticked up. Why? I don't know, I'm no epidemiologist. What I do know is that the daily increase in the number of deaths in Israel happened to correlate with the rollout (I presume -- I do not know the precise date of the introduction) of the third jab. Okay, that's one data point. What are the other data points? Are there other variables we can dismiss, investigate, adopt? Do you know these? I don't, and I would be happy to hear them.

 

Here's the Israel-Sweden comparison link again: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths?country=SWE~ISR

The point is no one know why the numbers are so different regardless of vaccination status or previously recovered cases which is why all these government induced mandates from the private sector are questionable.

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

In another universe, a discussion was being had about how much, and to whom, Pfizer had paid for getting Comirnaty "approved".  No one seemed to have found the money trail yet.

But another interesting tidbit was discussed:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history