All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)

[Ban Hammer 13,335]

1 hour ago, CanAm1980 said:

And wearing a mask, social distancing will not stop one of those tobacco related deaths and the victim is most likely the person who has agency to stop.  Not so with covid-19, it's in the air we commonly breath.

 

2nd hand germs..........

[fip & jim 452]

I want to ask sceptics here - at which point you would believe that SARS-coV-2 is a serious problem? I genuinely want to know and understand. 

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[Dashinka 24,494]

10 hours ago, fip & jim said:

I want to ask sceptics here - at which point you would believe that SARS-coV-2 is a serious problem? I genuinely want to know and understand. 

For the true believers here, at which point would you admit that the cure can be worse than the disease?  I genuinely want to understand.

 

As to your question, I don't think anyone here has said this was not a serious issue, pandemics by definition are serious problems, but needing the various governors to babysit the population like we are a bunch of idiots is simply wrong.  Get out the information, and let the businesses adjust.  The spikes we are seeing now tend to be related to home or private gatherings, so what is the course of action taken by the likes of Whitmer, et. al., drive people back to their houses.  Makes a lot of sense.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

12 hours ago, fip & jim said:

I want to ask sceptics here - at which point you would believe that SARS-coV-2 is a serious problem? I genuinely want to know and understand. 

Oh the majority of us do believe that it is a serious problem. But as of right now the cure is becoming worse than the problem. 

[Ban Hammer 13,335]

12 hours ago, fip & jim said:

I want to ask sceptics here - at which point you would believe that SARS-coV-2 is a serious problem? I genuinely want to know and understand. 

what is a "serious problem"

[Ban Hammer 13,335]

[Prizm123 1,086]

if i had to guess, not enough doctors or healthcare workers to treat the hospitals that are nearing capacity because of all the sick people, especially in rural areas

icus being overwhelmed

frontline workers being mentally, physically, and emotionally drained because they cant help everyone

 

but hey, you do you because freedumb and all that.

go watch the game at a bar

go out and eat wherever you want

have everyone over for the holidays

and most importantly dont bother with masks because they are like chains of oppression, like the chains that slaves wore.

shout it out, spread it far and wide

because USA USA

 

it doesnt matter if someone else catches it and gets sick, its not you, right? so who cares? go out and party!

[fip & jim 452]

3 hours ago, Dashinka said:

For the true believers here, at which point would you admit that the cure can be worse than the disease?  I genuinely want to understand.

 

As to your question, I don't think anyone here has said this was not a serious issue, pandemics by definition are serious problems, but needing the various governors to babysit the population like we are a bunch of idiots is simply wrong.  Get out the information, and let the businesses adjust.  The spikes we are seeing now tend to be related to home or private gatherings, so what is the course of action taken by the likes of Whitmer, et. al., drive people back to their houses.  Makes a lot of sense.

I don't know if I would call myself a "true believer" or I need to admit anything. I agree with a lot of what you said. Some people are idiots though and maybe they need to be told what to do. For example, we all need to eat, we all need to go to a store at some point. Every time I go to the store there are people that will not keep their physical distance, for whatever reason, they do not wear a mask, for whatever reason. They are not behaving for the greater good. What is the harm in wearing a mask? I see a different attitude in America and I have tried to understand why. In Britain we have an idea of civic duty, maybe that's what got us through the war. I don't know much about your background or if you've ever visited Europe, so I don't want to presume anything. All the older people I knew back in Britain would talk about the war with affection, like it was the best time of their lives, because everyone pulled together to overcome difficulties and that attitude prevails for the most part. It doesn't cause me any real inconvenience to wear a mask and if it slows the spread of a disease then that's a good thing, and if it doesn't then it's hardly been anything to get annoyed about. 

 

The lockdowns have not been handled well, in my opinion. It's unsustainable and causes harm. It's also very psychologically difficult for humans to isolate. I think there's been missed opportunities to manage the situation and know a lot of us have fatigue of it. There should have been a plan. There are few things that have the potential to cause harm on a global scale - an asteroid hitting earth, nuclear war, and a pandemic. If anything this has highlighted how we need a plan. Looking to countries and communities that have managed to drive cases down shows that we need to be responsive on a local level. Testing is pointless unless we then trace contacts and change our behavior. It's all very well ordering people to isolate but they need support to do that, and that's been left too much to chance here. I think, in general, that Americans strongly object to what they perceive as their liberties being taken away and interference from government. 

 

Unfortunately cases are going to rise. The numbers we see now are only indicative of what was happening a few weeks back. 

 

 

[fip & jim 452]

2 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

what is a "serious problem"

Maybe someone you know dying? Maybe you going bankrupt because of lockdown? That's what I am asking. 

[Ban Hammer 13,335]

11 minutes ago, fip & jim said:

Maybe someone you know dying? Maybe you going bankrupt because of lockdown? That's what I am asking. 

not a serious problem for me then.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

2 hours ago, Prizm123 said:

if i had to guess, not enough doctors or healthcare workers to treat the hospitals that are nearing capacity because of all the sick people, especially in rural areas

icus being overwhelmed

frontline workers being mentally, physically, and emotionally drained because they cant help everyone

 

but hey, you do you because freedumb and all that.

go watch the game at a bar

go out and eat wherever you want

have everyone over for the holidays

and most importantly dont bother with masks because they are like chains of oppression, like the chains that slaves wore.

shout it out, spread it far and wide

because USA USA

 

it doesnt matter if someone else catches it and gets sick, its not you, right? so who cares? go out and party!

Canada is starting to lock things down again.

 

In Europe they are doing it as well. 

 

Which puts the "freedumb" "USA" thing in perspective. Best of luck with the flag burning. In the future, when people ignore the left about their freedoms, one shouldn't question why.

Edited November 17, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Dashinka 24,494]

53 minutes ago, fip & jim said:

Maybe someone you know dying? Maybe you going bankrupt because of lockdown? That's what I am asking. 

Doesn't everyone die?

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

59 minutes ago, fip & jim said:

I don't know if I would call myself a "true believer" or I need to admit anything. I agree with a lot of what you said. Some people are idiots though and maybe they need to be told what to do. For example, we all need to eat, we all need to go to a store at some point. Every time I go to the store there are people that will not keep their physical distance, for whatever reason, they do not wear a mask, for whatever reason. They are not behaving for the greater good. What is the harm in wearing a mask? I see a different attitude in America and I have tried to understand why. In Britain we have an idea of civic duty, maybe that's what got us through the war. I don't know much about your background or if you've ever visited Europe, so I don't want to presume anything. All the older people I knew back in Britain would talk about the war with affection, like it was the best time of their lives, because everyone pulled together to overcome difficulties and that attitude prevails for the most part. It doesn't cause me any real inconvenience to wear a mask and if it slows the spread of a disease then that's a good thing, and if it doesn't then it's hardly been anything to get annoyed about. 

 

The lockdowns have not been handled well, in my opinion. It's unsustainable and causes harm. It's also very psychologically difficult for humans to isolate. I think there's been missed opportunities to manage the situation and know a lot of us have fatigue of it. There should have been a plan. There are few things that have the potential to cause harm on a global scale - an asteroid hitting earth, nuclear war, and a pandemic. If anything this has highlighted how we need a plan. Looking to countries and communities that have managed to drive cases down shows that we need to be responsive on a local level. Testing is pointless unless we then trace contacts and change our behavior. It's all very well ordering people to isolate but they need support to do that, and that's been left too much to chance here. I think, in general, that Americans strongly object to what they perceive as their liberties being taken away and interference from government. 

 

Unfortunately cases are going to rise. The numbers we see now are only indicative of what was happening a few weeks back. 

 

 

Countries like Canada and throughout Europe that even have mask and social distance requirements are still having a second outbreak. This is yet again where the mask obsession isn't about science, or prevention, but about the idiocy of feeling good and the authoritarian desire to have government make people dance when compelled. The cost of lockdowns isn't being considered in this cost-benefit analysis, and deliberately. It really shouldn't be a surprise when people reject what's being sold, the very people in positions of power pushing this as well.. you wind up seeing them at parties and flouting their own "rules", demonstrating they don't take it seriously either, because its not about science (health). 

 

The only thing evident here is the left's blatant hate for freedoms, and moments like this, people's true intentions really show. After this, there's no point in the left playing coy about pretending they actually want to preserve freedoms. Their hand has been played for about the entirety of this year and no amount of trolling or gaslighting is going to work at this point. 

[fip & jim 452]

17 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Doesn't everyone die?

Well I'd prefer it if my children didn't die, or my husband, just yet.