All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)

[yuna628 9,665]

7 hours ago, InhaleExhale said:

There are safe and approved drugs that work very effectively fighting Covid19 especially during early onset.

I'm talking about LONG COVID. Something entirely different. LONG COVID is what one is left with after there is not a detectable level of COVID in the body, but the virus has damaged every aspect of it. It does not matter if the person initially experienced symptoms at the height of their infection or not at all. As to the rest of what you said, I refuse to exhaust myself further, not because I do not have a response, but because I'd rather not waste your time. I guarantee I will waste mine.

 

15 minutes ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

The only thing you have convinced me of is that I was wise to take the vaccine, wear masks where prudent, practice social distancing and listen to public health officials carefully and make up my own mind.  Thank you for doing such a wonderful job providing an example of why I don't get my medical advice from people unqualified to deliver it. 

 

Anti vaxxers don't convince me to get a vaccine any more than they would convince me not to. But they do make me laugh. I'd laugh a lot more if it wasn't people's lives at stake and I hadn't had so much loss. There are over 600,000 losses just in this country, and there will be more. Our lives are forever changed by it. At least we have good preparation of what will happen in the next big one.

 

50 minutes ago, Neonred said:

Looks like you are the troll.  You are twisting words and not reading carefully.  

Your sited literature did NOT call the spike protein a pathogen.  Read it again....SLOWLY.  I'm not even calling it an irritant but perhaps your literature is.

 

Seems you have made up your mind about the vaccine, and that is what everyone should do.  I'm not trying to push the vaccine on anyone, unlike our government that now seems to be saying "take it or else we are going to make your life miserable".   You, on the other hand seem very combative with your theories.

 

I'm done with you.  I'm on vacation .

 

 

 

I thought perhaps at first it was a language or reading comprehension barrier, but now I'm not so sure. Genuinely it's nearly impossible to help and provide information to someone that cannot understand what they don't want to. I was told gleefully by anti vaxxer once that I'd be dead in two years if I even made it past the first dose. When I didn't die from the first dose, then they said I'd be sterile, cause other women to be sterile, or get ''the real virus''. It's all a part of some vaccine-eugenics plan. It was an astonishing claim if it wasn't hilarious to begin with, but they were of course serious, combative, and very smug about it. The regurgitated conspiracy theories are back again from years ago just with a new attack target. I'm still here. And you are still here. I hope you enjoy your vacation, it should not be wasted on nonsense.

[Dashinka 24,437]

Can anyone actually explain the falling numbers in India and the UK which also had huge exposure to the Delta Variant?

 

Ask a Covid expert anything about the UK’s falling infection numbers

 

https://news.yahoo.com/ask-covid-expert-anything-uk-193135668.html

[Neonred 3,553]

Just to be clear, I was rather reluctant to get the vaccine initially.  Certainly did not want to be among the first to get it and wasn't sure that I would get it at all.  My son was the first in my circle to get it, back in January as he works in a top teaching hospital in Portland OR.  He had the typical reactions that the younger folks are having.  My mother was next, in February, and she really had no negative reaction.  I got mine late February/early March with no real reaction.  My wife has decided not to get the vaccine despite my "gentle" encouragement.  

 

I'm an easy going, live and let live kind of guy.  I think I know what should be done, but of course I feel like everyone needs to make an informed personal decision.  I can respect InhaleExhale's decision.  I just feel some of what they are writing is not correct.  I have been on several seminars/webinars with great doctors discussing current vaccination info.  Seems there is a lot of misinformation out there that just keeps getting repeated.

[yuna628 9,665]

7 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Can anyone actually explain the falling numbers in India and the UK which also had huge exposure to the Delta Variant?

 

Ask a Covid expert anything about the UK’s falling infection numbers

 

https://news.yahoo.com/ask-covid-expert-anything-uk-193135668.html

Can't say that I've looked at India but there's quite a few theories about the UK. To be sure though, there have been enough rise of cases in the UK to cause strain on the health system and there is still a good bit of transmission. There could be several reasons why there was a dropoff. For one kids are out of school. And I have to tell ya, when they were in school... things were not great there. A lot of kids and teachers getting infected, whole classes sent home to quarantine, and big factories having to shut because the kids had infected parents. I know of several kids that became infected via their classmates, passed it onto their unvaccinated father, their half-vaccinated mother, but not one sibling that had already gone through a severe bought earlier. There was a surge of cases during the football, and that's pretty obvious why. The weather is currently warm, so people are outdoors again with proper air. It remains to be seen when the UK goes back to dreary and cold, and school returns, if infections will increase. But I did find this article, which makes a different case why - something called endemic equilibrium:  https://theconversation.com/why-covid-cases-are-now-falling-in-the-uk-and-what-could-happen-next-165123

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

38 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Can anyone actually explain the falling numbers in India and the UK which also had huge exposure to the Delta Variant?

 

Ask a Covid expert anything about the UK’s falling infection numbers

 

https://news.yahoo.com/ask-covid-expert-anything-uk-193135668.html

Warm beer, that nasty stuff is carrying all kinds of microbes and I bet  the delta variant is in there inoculating the population.

[Dashinka 24,437]

1 hour ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

Warm beer, that nasty stuff is carrying all kinds of microbes and I bet  the delta variant is in there inoculating the population.

Best explanation I have heard! 

 

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

5 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Best explanation I have heard! 

 

The scientific research  is sorely lacking in this area.  I will be the control group and drink Carlsberg, the rest of you can drink that English stuff.  Anyone who doesn't check in weekly we will presume has COVID-19 . 

[Dashinka 24,437]

2 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Can't say that I've looked at India but there's quite a few theories about the UK. To be sure though, there have been enough rise of cases in the UK to cause strain on the health system and there is still a good bit of transmission. There could be several reasons why there was a dropoff. For one kids are out of school. And I have to tell ya, when they were in school... things were not great there. A lot of kids and teachers getting infected, whole classes sent home to quarantine, and big factories having to shut because the kids had infected parents. I know of several kids that became infected via their classmates, passed it onto their unvaccinated father, their half-vaccinated mother, but not one sibling that had already gone through a severe bought earlier. There was a surge of cases during the football, and that's pretty obvious why. The weather is currently warm, so people are outdoors again with proper air. It remains to be seen when the UK goes back to dreary and cold, and school returns, if infections will increase. But I did find this article, which makes a different case why - something called endemic equilibrium:  https://theconversation.com/why-covid-cases-are-now-falling-in-the-uk-and-what-could-happen-next-165123

Just looking at the numbers, both in the UK and in India where the Delta variant was running rampant, they seemed to peak out in about a month.  Being outside may be a factor, which if applied to the US makes sense as we seem to be seeing the big uptick in the South as people are going inside.  Vaccinations may also play a role, the UK is a bit in front of the US by about 7%, but India is way down the list (according to Johns Hopkins), but that doesn't make sense if you include India.  Personally, I think the biggest factor is there are probably a lot more Covid positive people then are being identified.

12 minutes ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

The scientific research  is sorely lacking in this area.  I will be the control group and drink Carlsberg, the rest of you can drink that English stuff.  Anyone who doesn't check in weekly we will presume has COVID-19 . 

I will join if they use a nice hoppy IPA.

[Ban Hammer 13,282]

don't bicycle with corona either
https://www.kctv5.com/news/local_news/bicyclist-carrying-12-pack-of-beer-seriously-injured-in-crash-with-suv-in-kc/article_418fc982-f456-11eb-8453-f7b693895ece.html?block_id=991162

[Lemonslice 4,804]

12 hours ago, InhaleExhale said:

There are safe and approved drugs that work very effectively fighting Covid19 especially during early onset.

Why do many deaths then?

[TBoneTX 45,088]

14 hours ago, InhaleExhale said:

I think you are just a troll.

This is a Terms of Service violation, and one more expression of it or any similar insult will cause you to wish that you'd never been born.

[Dashinka 24,437]

2 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

don't bicycle with corona either
https://www.kctv5.com/news/local_news/bicyclist-carrying-12-pack-of-beer-seriously-injured-in-crash-with-suv-in-kc/article_418fc982-f456-11eb-8453-f7b693895ece.html?block_id=991162

So is that a hospitalization with Corona or because of Corona?

[laylalex 7,284]

14 hours ago, InhaleExhale said:

She is confusing emergency recall (which is the made up term her fact-checker "source" came up with and which in itself is a false claim) with emergency use authorization.

I decided to look at your posts, just to see if you were quoting me (since I can't see that). 

 

I have confused nothing. I suggest you actually READ the article. The fact check article I provided linked to precisely the same CDC webpage that the other poster provided to "prove" his point. He initially said:

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And even now, the FDA & CDC have determined that the PCR tests we have been subjected to for over a year are producing too many false positives and are recalling the tests by December.  Hell, the tests were never intended to be used to diagnose covid.  It's no wonder they aren't working right.

 

I linked to an article that said no, the phasing out of the PCR tests happening this year is occurring because there is a new combo test which also includes a test for the flu. That article quoted officials from the CDC and FDA.

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The FDA has approved roughly 280 polymerase chain reaction, or PCR, coronavirus tests, which determine whether sequences from the virus’s genome are present in a patient’s nasal swab. Early in the pandemic, in February 2020, the CDC introduced a coronavirus PCR test, known as the “CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel.”

On July 21, the CDC announced that after this year, it would no longer request an Emergency Use Authorization from the FDA for that one test, which means laboratories will stop using it.

Kristen Nordlund, health communication specialist at the CDC, told The Associated Press the agency made the move because newer PCR testing options now exist.

“The CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019 nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel met an important unmet need when it was developed and deployed and has not demonstrated any performance issues,” Nordlund said. She said the agency was encouraging labs to switch to tests that can detect influenza at the same time, since it will “save both time and resources.”

But social media users misinterpreted and misrepresented the announcement. False claims circulated that the CDC’s move meant the agency and the FDA had admitted PCR tests do not work.

 

The other poster latched on to the "emergency recall" wording in the headline and dismissed the rest of it as not being the same as his point. He then linked to the very same CDC webpage linked to in the Oregon Live article as his proof that the tests were being withdrawn for somethingsomethingPCRtestsdon'tworksomethingsomething: https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

 

That link says NOWHERE that the PCR tests are being withdrawn for producing false positives, that the tests aren't working, or that they were never intended to diagnose COVID19. If you read the quotes in the Oregon Live article from the communication specialist at the CDC I quoted above, it is clear that they are being withdrawn for newer options that roll in a flu test to "save both time and resources." The withdrawn test "has not demonstrated any performance issues."

 

A few points:

*"Emergency recall" is a real term used by the CDC elsewhere:

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/nioshtic-2/20025433.html

https://www.cdc.gov/onehealth/zohu/2019/october.html

 

*The article I linked to makes clear it is others on the internet that are making the false claim that there has been an "emergency recall" of the tests. 

 

*Do not put words in my mouth -- I am not the confused one here.

 

*One more, for those who like memes:

 

Back to ignoring now. GIGO.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

17 hours ago, InhaleExhale said:

 

What do you mean by "if shown"?

Do you have a reference that it has been "shown"? I don't. There was certainly nothing in the trial protocols that evaluated anything like that to my knowledge but you might know better if you did read the trial protocols.

 

That's a good point to have, but without doing the proper safety trials to rule out the known concerns the value of the point becomes moot. Plus, it is a given that there are unknown unknowns as with every experiment and despite that they claim that "the vaccine is safe".

When it's clear as a day that no one is actually able to know whether it is safe given the lack of data and lack of time. What it is, is unnecessary and risky.

 

Where are you getting this from?

 

What about the side effect of death or heart inflammation? Do you seriously belief this is evidence that the immune system is "getting to work" to prepare the body to fight the Covid19 disease?

 

And in some cases (=thousands!) it can lead to death.  And in some other cases (tens or even hundreds of thousands) it can lead to life long injuries with no possibility to even recoup the costs.
People are dying and suffering serious side effects ... pregnant women suffer miscarriages, THEY LOOSE THEIR UNBORN BABIES --- does this info get absorbed and... processed by the reader? 

All this is happening completely unnecessarily. 

If you think those shots are "safe" then how does the legal immunity make any sense?

And where is the data that confirms their safety? Do you have it?

 

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[Ban Hammer 13,282]

you know things are getting serious when NB starts posting definitions...........