All Things Coronavirus (Part 2)

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

6 hours ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

does this dodgy looking link explain why the states with the lowest vaccine rates are seeing the largest spike in cases?

Did you happen to open said dodgy link and read the first 4 pages of the lawsuit?

NVM, that was rhetorical.  I know you didn't.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

1 minute ago, LIBrty4all said:

Did you happen to open said dodgy link and read the first 4 pages of the lawsuit?

NVM, that was rhetorical.  I know you didn't.

No, Maven did the dirty work for the rest of us.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

7 minutes ago, LIBrty4all said:

If you get a straight answer to a direct question you will be the most successful person in CEHST in over two years.

Take a crack at refuting the data I posted. I haven't seen you around  for two years, have I?

 

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

2 minutes ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

Take a crack at refuting the data I posted. I haven't seen you around  for two years, have I?

 

You didn't take a crack at refuting any data I posted, why should I?  If you opt for head in the sand, that is your choice.  I support you.

[TBoneTX 44,671]

13 hours ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

Covid-19 Updates: C.D.C. to Recommend Some Vaccinated People Wear Masks Indoors Again

 

 

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If the Administration Wants to Overcome 'Vaccine Hesitancy' Maybe It Should Order CDC to Put a Sock in It

By streiff | Jul 27, 2021 6:45 PM ET

 

[...] For the past few months, Biden and his cronies have begun ratcheting up the anger against the millions of Americans who are deemed to be "vaccine hesitant" or called "anti-vaxxers."  [...]

 

https://redstate.com/streiff/2021/07/27/if-the-administration-wants-to-overcome-vaccine-hesitancy-maybe-it-should-order-cdc-to-put-a-sock-in-it-n417291  

 

Edited July 28, 2021 by TBoneTX

[TBoneTX 44,671]

Surprahz, Sarjint Carter!

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U.S. Elementary Students Fell 4 to 5 Months Behind During Pandemic: Report

By BRITTANY BERNSTEIN - July 27, 2021 7:28 PM

 

Elementary school students in the United States fell four to five months behind their expected level of academic achievement during the pandemic, according to a new study.  [...]

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/u-s-elementary-students-fell-4-to-5-months-behind-during-pandemic-report/  

 

Edited July 28, 2021 by TBoneTX

[InhaleExhale 28]

4 hours ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

I doubt you or anyone on this thread have the academic or medical research background to determine efficacy, but go ahead with your theories.

Efficacy is determined mathematically/statistically using the data that the medical research folks have provided. You don't need an academic or medical research background to do that. What you need is some basic mathematical knowledge, a calculator and rational thinking skills. To back up my approach and calculations I had also linked to respective medical literature. If you disagree with my approach you are welcome to explain yours and your reasoning for it. E.g. why would you possibly NOT include ALL participants of the trial in the final evaluation of efficacy/AAR? What are the points you disagree on and why?

 

4 hours ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

Can you explain why these states have case rates far above the median for the US while having below average ( with the exception of Florida) final vaccination rates?  

 

Given the lack of data you have provided there is no way to explain anything. Speculatively, IF your claim was actually factual you could ponder this:

Other countries are reporting up to 60% of the cases occurring in "vaccinated" people. So maybe those countries have not stopped monitoring vaccine breakthrough cases.

I don't consider news articles as qualifying credible evidence for anything since investigational journalism is scarce. If you wish to engage in an intelligent and scientific debate then provide adequate sources and be ready to back up any claim you make or retract it if you can't. 

The ultimate issue with the case numbers remains as tests are being used that are inadequate for the purpose, are unapproved and the CDC has already distanced itself from the PCR test but it is still being used for "case count".

Also what is the protocol for the testing? What counts as a case under which circumstances and how often are they reported as a new case? Do you know all these parameters? I don't.

Here is another source that weakens your claim: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-case-rate, expand the Data Table for Vaccinations by Case Rate and look at the numbers. I cannot see correlation of numbers of cases with percentage of vaccinations. They are all over the place.

Or look at this map:

 

 

 

 

[InhaleExhale 28]

3 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

If you get a straight answer to a direct question you will be the most successful person in CEHST in over two years.

What is CEHST?

I don't know why many folks avoid straight answers. It's dysfunctional to any conversation.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

8 hours ago, InhaleExhale said:

Efficacy is determined mathematically/statistically using the data that the medical research folks have provided. You don't need an academic or medical research background to do that. What you need is some basic mathematical knowledge, a calculator and rational thinking skills. To back up my approach and calculations I had also linked to respective medical literature. If you disagree with my approach you are welcome to explain yours and your reasoning for it. E.g. why would you possibly NOT include ALL participants of the trial in the final evaluation of efficacy/AAR? What are the points you disagree on and why?

 

Given the lack of data you have provided there is no way to explain anything. Speculatively, IF your claim was actually factual you could ponder this:

Other countries are reporting up to 60% of the cases occurring in "vaccinated" people. So maybe those countries have not stopped monitoring vaccine breakthrough cases.

I don't consider news articles as qualifying credible evidence for anything since investigational journalism is scarce. If you wish to engage in an intelligent and scientific debate then provide adequate sources and be ready to back up any claim you make or retract it if you can't. 

The ultimate issue with the case numbers remains as tests are being used that are inadequate for the purpose, are unapproved and the CDC has already distanced itself from the PCR test but it is still being used for "case count".

Also what is the protocol for the testing? What counts as a case under which circumstances and how often are they reported as a new case? Do you know all these parameters? I don't.

Here is another source that weakens your claim: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-case-rate, expand the Data Table for Vaccinations by Case Rate and look at the numbers. I cannot see correlation of numbers of cases with percentage of vaccinations. They are all over the place.

Or look at this map:

 

 

 

 

Well I am just a simple rube from the PNW and all of this talk about intelligent scientific debate is beyond me. Maybe ,as I am  lazy, and cannot figure out how to get MATLAB to fire up to do regression analysis on two columns of data, it was just sloppy of me to go to the NY Times at the link I provided and see that Louisiana and other states with low vaccine rates had higher current case rates.

 

It's just all this intellectual stuff hurts my head. It's too much.

 

So as I lack basic mathematical skills, rational thinking and a calculator, I will defer to your methods as just ask. What are you trying to say, in laymen's terms, about these vaccines. Would you take them or not? 

[Dashinka 24,109]

11 hours ago, InhaleExhale said:

What is CEHST?

I don't know why many folks avoid straight answers. It's dysfunctional to any conversation.

Current Events and Hot Social Topics.  CEHST is just an acronym for the title of this forum.

[Dashinka 24,109]

2 hours ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

Well I am just a simple rube from the PNW and all of this talk about intelligent scientific debate is beyond me. Maybe ,as I am  lazy, and cannot figure out how to get MATLAB to fire up to do regression analysis on two columns of data, it was just sloppy of me to go to the NY Times at the link I provided and see that Louisiana and other states with low vaccine rates had higher current case rates.

 

It's just all this intellectual stuff hurts my head. It's too much.

 

So as I lack basic mathematical skills, rational thinking and a calculator, I will defer to your methods as just ask. What are you trying to say, in laymen's terms, about these vaccines. Would you take them or not? 

Were the illegal aliens that entered the southern border bussed to LA?  Since this administration is not interested in protecting the southern border (except for any Cubans fleeing the Leftist/Socialist/Communists), and the VeeP is not down there handing out masks, or giving jabs, it is just as likely that the increase in cases is being caused by forced busing of illegal aliens  by the Biden team to strategic locations. 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,367]

3 hours ago, Crtcl Rice Theory said:

Well I am just a simple rube from the PNW and all of this talk about intelligent scientific debate is beyond me. Maybe ,as I am  lazy, and cannot figure out how to get MATLAB to fire up to do regression analysis on two columns of data, it was just sloppy of me to go to the NY Times at the link I provided and see that Louisiana and other states with low vaccine rates had higher current case rates.

 

It's just all this intellectual stuff hurts my head. It's too much.

 

So as I lack basic mathematical skills, rational thinking and a calculator, I will defer to your methods as just ask. What are you trying to say, in laymen's terms, about these vaccines. Would you take them or not? 

It burnt my eyes

[LIBrty4all 3,749]

12 hours ago, InhaleExhale said:

What is CEHST?

I don't know why many folks avoid straight answers. It's dysfunctional to any conversation.

This forum we are posting in, Current Events & Hot Social Topics.  Could also be called the DBSP forum - Derailed By Second Page.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

[TBoneTX 44,671]

12 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Were the illegal aliens that entered the southern border bussed to LA?  Since this administration is not interested in protecting the southern border (except for any Cubans fleeing the Leftist/Socialist/Communists), and the VeeP is not down there handing out masks, or giving jabs, it is just as likely that the increase in cases is being caused by forced busing of illegal aliens  by the Biden team to strategic locations. 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2021/07/28/border-towns-are-getting-fed-up-with-covidpositive-illegal-immigrants-being-released-into-their-communities-n2593202