Biden wins presidency, Trump denied second term in White House, Fox News projects

[Prizm123 1,086]

1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

 

 

that is nothing more than media scaremongering.

not even SCOTUS will do anything to circumvent any of this, especially in cases where the results have already been certified and perfected.

there is a reason we laugh. its funny as hell to see this train wreck in progress.

2 hours ago, moxy said:

It doesn't take them away. It's on appeal so they can't seat the electors yet. I suppose it could drag out past January 5th (if I recall the date correctly) in which case PA wouldn't seat electors and the required EVs to win would go down to 260.

i wouldnt worry about this. at all. its gonna be dismissed this week. the PA SCOTUS has already made several rulings against these stupid lawsuits

[moxy 1,051]

2 minutes ago, Prizm123 said:

i wouldnt worry about this. at all. its gonna be dismissed this week. the PA SCOTUS has already made several rulings against these stupid lawsuits

Yep. It's all hand-waving at this point to keep the man baby calm, and the believers believing. And when it's all over, they'll eventually throw him under the bus like they did to GW and Bush before him.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

2 hours ago, moxy said:

It doesn't take them away. It's on appeal so they can't seat the electors yet. I suppose it could drag out past January 5th (if I recall the date correctly) in which case PA wouldn't seat electors and the required EVs to win would go down to 260.

Where in the world did you get this idea+number?

Edited November 28, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[moxy 1,051]

4 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Where in the world did you get this idea+number?

I got it from civics class in high school. There are 538 electors in the US. A candidate needs "half plus one" electoral votes to win. Half of 538 is 269, plus one is 270. That's why a candidate needs 270 electoral votes to win.

 

If Pennsylvania couldn't seat their 20 electors, then there would only be 518 electors. Half of 518 is 259, plus one is 260.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

10 minutes ago, moxy said:

I got it from civics class in high school. There are 538 electors in the US. A candidate needs "half plus one" electoral votes to win. Half of 538 is 269, plus one is 270. That's why a candidate needs 270 electoral votes to win.

 

If Pennsylvania couldn't seat their 20 electors, then there would only be 518 electors. Half of 518 is 259, plus one is 260.

What did civics class cite when they said you can subtract a state's electoral votes if they don't seat electors? Does that mean they can't seat anyone in the House either?

Edited November 28, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[moxy 1,051]

2 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

What did civics class cite when they said you can subtract a state's electoral votes if they don't seat electors? Does that mean they can't seat anyone in the House either?

I'm not sure how much clearer this can be. If a state can't seat their electors, then the final count is based on the electors that can be seated.

[Prizm123 1,086]

ArtII.S1.C3.1 In General

Article II, Section 1, Clause 3:

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

10 minutes ago, moxy said:

I'm not sure how much clearer this can be. If a state can't seat their electors, then the final count is based on the electors that can be seated.

and its sort of in the Constitution. there is literally nothing that states that the number has to be 270. it wasnt when there were only the original 13 colonies either.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

18 minutes ago, moxy said:

I'm not sure how much clearer this can be. If a state can't seat their electors, then the final count is based on the electors that can be seated.

What did your civics class cite for this? It's understood to be an absolute majority, thus 270 at bare minimum, regardless of whether all states' electors vote or not.

 

What you're describing is a simple majority of those present, which is more a Senate rule.

 

If the point were a simple majority of those present, there'd be no 12th amendment nor contingent elections.

Edited November 28, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[moxy 1,051]

2 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

What did your civics class cite for this? It's understood to be an absolute majority, thus 270 at bare minimum, regardless of whether they vote or not.

 

What you're describing is a simple majority of those present, which is more a Senate rule.

 

If the point were a simple majority, there'd be no 12th amendment.

You are incorrect. See Prizm123's post.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

1 minute ago, moxy said:

You are incorrect. See Prizm123's post.

I can't see his posts. 

 

Maybe you can cite where one can subtract electors who don't vote, because it doesn't say, in the constitution, nor the amendments, it's a simple majority of present voters. It's understood to mean the entire US.

Edited November 28, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[moxy 1,051]

2 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

I can't see his posts. 

 

Maybe you can cite where one can subtract electors who don't vote, because it doesn't say, in the constitution, nor the amendments, it's a simple majority of present voters. It's understood to mean the entire US.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 3 of the Constitution.

[abum 324]

4 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

I can't see his posts. 

 

Maybe you can cite where one can subtract electors who don't vote, because it doesn't say, in the constitution, nor the amendments, it's a simple majority of present voters. It's understood to mean the entire US.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S1-C3-1/ALDE_00000229/

 

 

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Article II, Section 1, Clause 3:

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

 

 

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Prizm123 said:

ArtII.S1.C3.1 In General

Article II, Section 1, Clause 3:

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

and its sort of in the Constitution. there is literally nothing that states that the number has to be 270. it wasnt when there were only the original 13 colonies either.

 

[abum 324]

2 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   So in the end, Biden actually ended up gaining votes in the Wisconsin recount that cost Trump supporters $3 million. 

 

   https://www.npr.org/2020/11/28/939645865/biden-gains-votes-in-recount-of-milwaukee-county-requested-by-trump

So how much do you have to pay to see yourself losing multiple times, and in greater margin?

LOL

[moxy 1,051]

1 minute ago, abum said:

So how much do you have to pay to see yourself losing multiple times, and in greater margin?

LOL

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Just now, moxy said:

Article II, Section 1, Clause 3 of the Constitution.

It doesn't say majority of electoral voters present. And if the point were a simple majority of those present, there'd not need to be the language of a contingent election/vote in the House.

 

Instead, people seem to be conflating procedures in the Senate for the electoral college.