Biden wins presidency, Trump denied second term in White House, Fox News projects

[Prizm123 1,086]

6 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

The repartee, reasoning, and camaraderie in this thread have risen to high levels in this thread since the, uh, recent administrative events herein.

 

I'm giving upvotes to posts that are well-stated and respectful even if I disagree with the points being made.  Perhaps many or most of us here concur that there has been great improvement, and that we can "disagree without being disagreeable."  Thank you to everyone, and let's keep it up.

in all fairness, we also have some power to control the responses we see and respond to that might take us down the path of uncivility, i made use of that option

[Steeleballz 7,550]

4 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I agree, it would definitely be a stretch and my understanding of the recount requirements in AZ is that even with the margin that is there now, it would not trigger anything automatic.

 

   There will be some states where the Trump administration may want a recount but would have to pay for it themselves. That will be the next indication of how serious they are about challenging the election. Like I said, they should take all the time they need, but they should also not be obstructing the Biden transition process. Trump has the legal right to challenge the outcome, but there is nothing in the results at the moment that allow him to claim victory. 

 

  Even if challenges are legitimate and end up dragging on beyond the normal time frame, Trump's term still ends on January 5th and the new president is not sworn in until the outcome is resolved.  

[Steeleballz 7,550]

6 hours ago, nykolos said:

They only compromise if its in their own interest, certainly NOT the interest of the American People, only in the interest of the Democratic Party, Labor Unions, Lobbyists and bailing out poorly run Democratic states.

 

Here we are in the worst Pandememic of our lifetime, and Pelosi and the Democrats are playing with peoples lives for political gain, it's disgusting, And they call it the "Peoples House"   It's not wonder they lost so many seats in the House.

 

 

  On even that one single issue, If president Trump had acted and responded with actual leadership, he may have had enough to support for a second term. Trump supporters seem to spread blame in every direction except the one place that it is deserved. Republicans held off challenges in the senate and picked up seats in the house, but lost the presidency. There is a reason for that.

 

  If you don't like liberal policies, you should be angry at Trump. His 4 year long circus is what allowed the Democrats to take the presidency.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,376]

Anyone see the irony in the fact that here in Gawja for the last 2 years the Dems have been crying that systematic racism and voter suppression is rampant and the Pubs have been saying our elections are fair and they are just sore losers and looking for any excuse.

 

And then just like that they swapped sides of the stadium .

[implife 318]

8 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

  If you don't like liberal policies, you should be angry at Trump. His 4 year long circus is what allowed the Democrats to take the presidency.

As much as Trump's denial is harmful to the country, there's a part of me that is just fine with him denying the obvious. I want to see this man crushed, not just bankrupt and sued, but his very soul crushed by this misery. I want him destroyed.

[Dashinka 24,667]

32 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   There will be some states where the Trump administration may want a recount but would have to pay for it themselves. That will be the next indication of how serious they are about challenging the election. Like I said, they should take all the time they need, but they should also not be obstructing the Biden transition process. Trump has the legal right to challenge the outcome, but there is nothing in the results at the moment that allow him to claim victory. 

 

  Even if challenges are legitimate and end up dragging on beyond the normal time frame, Trump's term still ends on January 5th and the new president is not sworn in until the outcome is resolved.  

January 5th?

 

 

[Dashinka 24,667]

13 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  On even that one single issue, If president Trump had acted and responded with actual leadership, he may have had enough to support for a second term. Trump supporters seem to spread blame in every direction except the one place that it is deserved. Republicans held off challenges in the senate and picked up seats in the house, but lost the presidency. There is a reason for that.

 

  If you don't like liberal policies, you should be angry at Trump. His 4 year long circus is what allowed the Democrats to take the presidency.

I still say that in the case of a pandemic, the blame is and should be spread to several people including Trump.  His stupid COVID news conferences became a joke, but there are a lot of governors that deserve a great deal of blame in our Republic.

[Prizm123 1,086]

21 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Anyone see the irony in the fact that here in Gawja for the last 2 years the Dems have been crying that systematic racism and voter suppression is rampant and the Pubs have been saying our elections are fair and they are just sore losers and looking for any excuse.

 

And then just like that they swapped sides of the stadium .

oh the irony especially in georgia is funny

that still doesnt excuse what happened during the primaries or the long wait lines i saw in some areas. they really need to look into that. i dont know what the cause of it was, but i think TX is trying to take the voter suppression outrage crown from you guys lol

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,376]

3 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

I still say that in the case of a pandemic, the blame is and should be spread to several people including Trump.  His stupid COVID news conferences became a joke, but there are a lot of governors that deserve a great deal of blame in our Republic.

nailed it. When he kept talking about all the wonderful things he had done and some Governors  had not even thanked him, it was nauseating. 

[Prizm123 1,086]

Just now, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

nailed it. When he kept talking about all the wonderful things he had done and some Governors  had not even thanked him, it was nauseating. 

well, we do things bigger here in Tejas, like having more sick people than y'all!

 

yeehaw!

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

January 5th?

 

 

 

  January 5th is end of the current presidential term. In the (hypothetical) scenario that the election is still in dispute, the current president does not continue to hold office. The speaker of the house assumes the role of president until the election outcome is resolved.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Anyone see the irony in the fact that here in Gawja for the last 2 years the Dems have been crying that systematic racism and voter suppression is rampant and the Pubs have been saying our elections are fair and they are just sore losers and looking for any excuse.

 

And then just like that they swapped sides of the stadium .

 

  They tend to do that, historically. Identity politics only work if both sides are playing the same game.

[Dashinka 24,667]

22 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  January 5th is end of the current presidential term. In the (hypothetical) scenario that the election is still in dispute, the current president does not continue to hold office. The speaker of the house assumes the role of president until the election outcome is resolved.

Yeah, I don't see that as happening regardless if Trump concedes or not.  I expect on Dec 14th, we will have an undisputed president highly likely to be Biden at this point.

[laylalex 7,293]

On 11/11/2020 at 4:42 AM, Prizm123 said:

it wasnt duress, apparently he was paid

 

apparently now he is recanting his recantation, and some sources allege that the money came through "donors" or ties to Project veritas, its unclear who, but there is this, so i tend not eo believe anything from those idiots in project veritas since they are apparently paying people for fraud allegations, and anyone who knows anything about them understands they are fraudsters

 

So...looks like the audio that Project Veritas said proved that Hopkins didn't recant his claims actually shows that he did recant his claims.

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On Tuesday, following a story in The Washington Post that quoted officials as saying Hopkins had recanted his earlier claims, Hopkins said in a YouTube video that he had not done so, and that the recording of the interview would show as much.

 

During the recorded interview, however, federal agents repeatedly reminded Hopkins that his cooperation was voluntary, and Hopkins agreed to sign a document stating that he was not coerced.

 

Asked by an agent whether he had legal representation, Hopkins said Project Veritas had a lawyer on retention “in case there’s anything that happens.” The agent told Hopkins that if he had a personal lawyer, “I would make whatever efforts possible to have that person here.” Hopkins said he didn’t have a lawyer.

 

Hopkins also repeatedly expressed regret for signing the initial affidavit because it overstated what he knew and witnessed, according to the recording.

 

He told agents the affidavit was written by Project Veritas.

 

He said he was not fully aware of its contents because he was in “so much shock I wasn’t paying that much attention to what they were telling me.”

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/postal-worker-hopkins-ballot-pennsylvania/2020/11/11/c9b70eda-2470-11eb-8599-406466ad1b8e_story.html

 

He can't have it every way. In the recording he admits that he only heard bits of conversation and put them together to make the narrative that was in the first affidavit. He faced tough questioning but frankly this is the inspectors' job: to find the truth. Nobody threatened his life or his family's life. I don't think we can trust a single thing this man says at this point.

[TBoneTX 45,741]

8 hours ago, Prizm123 said:

in all fairness, we also have some power to control the responses we see and respond to that might take us down the path of uncivility, i made use of that option

Excellent, if you felt the need.  More people should avail themselves of this, and not just in this forum.