Biden wins presidency, Trump denied second term in White House, Fox News projects

[Prizm123 1,086]

On 11/10/2020 at 2:19 AM, Steeleballz said:

 

    I  guess to put it another way, if they have any evidence of fraud, I'd love to see it, but unless they are ready to come forward with actual evidence, I don't want to hear about it. 

 

neither do the courts. and thats the important part

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[JoBri 548]

On 11/10/2020 at 4:13 AM, laylalex said:

I don't, but I prefer the words when they are used according to their definition.  

 

Zorgtron, maybe. Different definitions of "legal" and "lawful" as it's a different court system, I think.

I have no idea what you are talking about, but let's use an example or two, or three as I intended for these words. It is not legal to submit a ballot for a dead person. It is not legal for one person to sign multiple ballots. It is not legal to prevent a poll watcher from an opposing party from lawfully observing the mail-in ballots. And I am sure you will want to twist that comment around in all kinds of ways and scrutinize the definition of the words. So let's just simplify things a bit. It is wrong to cheat in an election. The Democrats cheated in a way that breaks laws. Some may go to jail. And because we know there was cheating, this election is not over. That is why President Trump has not conceded the election, because he and the world knows there was cheating, not a legal and lawful election. That is why votes are still being counted, and in some cases, recounted.  Joe Biden has not won, and God willing he never will win

Edited November 11, 2020 by JoBri

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

CNN’s Sciutto: Trump Not Conceding Could Put America in ‘Potential Danger’ for Another 9/11

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/11/11/cnns-sciutto-trump-not-conceding-could-put-america-in-potential-danger-for-another-9-11/

 

 

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But the media called it! Therefore its final! 🤪

 

Connecticut GOP Lawmaker Discovered Winner After Race Called for Democrat

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/11/connecticut-gop-lawmaker-discovered-winner-after-race-called-for-democrat/

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On 11/10/2020 at 12:14 AM, JoBri said:

When we have had a lawful election, we can all move on. As of this moment we have not yet had a lawful election. We will all have to wait now to see what the Supreme Court has to say. The media does not determine the election, nor does apparent voter fraud determine the election.  This country that I proudly served is grounded in law, not corruption. And shame on you if you think it is fair to cheat. Shame, shame shame on you. God bless the USA

Your laughter speaks volumes to every law abiding, justice loving, patriotic American. It shows the true colors of those who act In that manner. Is the laughter about lawful? The Supreme Court? Fraud? Serving in the military?  Cheating? Those were the topics mentioned. So to laugh about any of that is shameful. I think your laughter is a cover for the embarrassment and shame for what your party has attempted to do

Edited November 11, 2020 by JoBri

[Dashinka 24,657]

11 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

But the media called it! Therefore its final! 🤪

 

Connecticut GOP Lawmaker Discovered Winner After Race Called for Democrat

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/11/connecticut-gop-lawmaker-discovered-winner-after-race-called-for-democrat/

This is the thing that is most disturbing, since some of the media has called it, apparently they believe it is time to give it up.  One of the big media organizations, Real Clear Politics actually has not called AZ and PA for Biden yet, so they have not called it in totality yet.  Which media are the ones that are duly constituted to call the elections?  There is a most likely scenario, but there is still canvassing that needs to occur in most states, and there is hope that if there are obvious clerical issues, this process will find them.

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39 minutes ago, JoBri said:

I have no idea what you are talking about, but let's use an example or two, or three as I intended for these words. It is not legal to submit a ballot for a dead person. It is not legal for one person to sign multiple ballots. It is not legal to prevent a poll watcher from an opposing party from lawfully observing the mail-in ballots. And I am sure you will want to twist that comment around in all kinds of ways and scrutinize the definition of the words. So let's just simplify things a bit. It is wrong to cheat in an election. The Democrats cheated in a way that breaks laws. Some may go to jail. And because we know there was cheating, this election is not over. That is why President Trump has not conceded the election, because he and the world knows there was cheating, not a legal and lawful election. That is why votes are still being counted, and in some cases, recounted.  Joe Biden has not won, and God willing he never will win

We're starting from different positions, and that's okay. You're operating from one in which a lot of allegations that have yet to be proven or have in fact been disproven in court are guiding your perception. I'm going with what courts are determining.

 

I don't disagree with some of what you're saying: no, the votes of dead people should not be counted; no, one person shouldn't sign multiple ballots; yes, it's wrong to cheat in an election. And yes, people who violate the law should go to jail or pay a fine depending on what the punishment is.

 

What I disagree with is this: states and counties can limit the number of poll watchers, though they cannot exclude watchers of a particular party, and there have been zero proven allegations that this has happened; no, no one has proved that Democrats have cheated; we do not know if anyone has cheated; it is demonstrably incorrect that "the world knows there was cheating" or that this was "not a legal and lawful election; votes are being counted and recounted for many reasons, not just for allegations of "cheating."

 

Words mean things, and facts mean things. Allegations without substance aren't facts, they're just statements. As the courts rule on allegations, we get to know what the facts are. That's just how our legal system is set up. So far there are no facts that say "there's been cheating" let alone "there's been widespread cheating, great enough to change this election." I go with facts myself and try not to let my feelings guide me too much. I can recognize my feelings and understand how they feed into my prejudices -- we all have our prejudices -- but when a court tells me "sorry, this is the way it is" I have to go with it.

[laylalex 7,293]

23 minutes ago, JoBri said:

Your laughter speaks volumes to every law abiding, justice loving, patriotic American. It shows the true colors of those who act In that manner. Is the laughter about lawful? The Supreme Court? Fraud? Serving in the military?  Cheating? Those were the topics mentioned. So to laugh about any of that is shameful. I think your laughter is a cover for the embarrassment and shame for what your party has attempted to do

Sorry, who are you speaking to?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

10 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Sorry, who are you speaking to?

 

  Looked like he was talking to himself.

[laylalex 7,293]

Just now, Steeleballz said:

 

  Looked like he was talking to himself.

Yes, and that's why I was confused. 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

This is the thing that is most disturbing, since some of the media has called it, apparently they believe it is time to give it up.  One of the big media organizations, Real Clear Politics actually has not called AZ and PA for Biden yet, so they have not called it in totality yet.  Which media are the ones that are duly constituted to call the elections?  There is a most likely scenario, but there is still canvassing that needs to occur in most states, and there is hope that if there are obvious clerical issues, this process will find them.

We're up to what, 3-5 seats flipped after the media called it in the first week and I don't even think any of the recounts/audits have actually started yet. No problems here, guise! 🤡

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[JoBri 548]

21 minutes ago, laylalex said:

We're starting from different positions, and that's okay. You're operating from one in which a lot of allegations that have yet to be proven or have in fact been disproven in court are guiding your perception. I'm going with what courts are determining.

 

I don't disagree with some of what you're saying: no, the votes of dead people should not be counted; no, one person shouldn't sign multiple ballots; yes, it's wrong to cheat in an election. And yes, people who violate the law should go to jail or pay a fine depending on what the punishment is.

 

What I disagree with is this: states and counties can limit the number of poll watchers, though they cannot exclude watchers of a particular party, and there have been zero proven allegations that this has happened; no, no one has proved that Democrats have cheated; we do not know if anyone has cheated; it is demonstrably incorrect that "the world knows there was cheating" or that this was "not a legal and lawful election; votes are being counted and recounted for many reasons, not just for allegations of "cheating."

 

Words mean things, and facts mean things. Allegations without substance aren't facts, they're just statements. As the courts rule on allegations, we get to know what the facts are. That's just how our legal system is set up. So far there are no facts that say "there's been cheating" let alone "there's been widespread cheating, great enough to change this election." I go with facts myself and try not to let my feelings guide me too much. I can recognize my feelings and understand how they feed into my prejudices -- we all have our prejudices -- but when a court tells me "sorry, this is the way it is" I have to go with it.

There are around 90 poll watchers willing to testify under oath that they were blocked. And glad to hear your point of view. I know I am not a lawyer. I dont understand the full legalities of all that has occurred. I am glad you are happy to wait for the full investigation that is ongoing,  and willing to accept whatever the courts decide. I am expressing my opinions here, not legal expertise. But what I want is there to be no question of what has happened.  When so many poll watchers say they were blocked, I want that to go before the court. When one person is said to have signed multiple ballots, I want that in court. When there were "glitches " to benefit the Democrats I want that reviewed by the courts. When dead vote, I want that in the courts.when there are allegations of voter harvesting, I want that reviewed in the courts. ALL these things, and more, I want reviewed by a court of law. These things are why this election is not over. All these things together are why I have serious concerns about this election being legal and lawful. And these are some of the reasons President Trump has not conceded, nor should he concede with these many questions out there. 

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Just now, JoBri said:

There are around 90 poll watchers willing to testify under oath that they were blocked. And glad to hear your point of view. I know I am not a lawyer. I dont understand the full legalities of all that has occurred. I am glad you are happy to wait for the full investigation that is ongoing,  and willing to accept whatever the courts decide. I am expressing my opinions here, not legal expertise. But what I want is there to be no question of what has happened.  When so many poll watchers say they were blocked, I want that to go before the court. When one person is said to have signed multiple ballots, I want that in court. When there were "glitches " to benefit the Democrats I want that reviewed by the courts. When dead vote, I want that in the courts.when there are allegations of voter harvesting, I want that reviewed in the courts. ALL these things, and more, I want reviewed by a court of law. These things are why this election is not over. All these things together are why I have serious concerns about this election being legal and lawful. And these are some of the reasons President Trump has not conceded, nor should he concede with these many questions out there. 

And that 90ish was one state, with most already giving affidavits. There's 500-1000+ now, with the vast majority being in key swing states, but some in others as well that aren't contested but have serious problems alleged to remedy.

[JoBri 548]

2 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

And that 90ish was one state, with most already giving affidavits. There's 500-1000+ now, with the vast majority being in key swing states, but some in others as well that aren't contested but have serious problems alleged to remedy.

Wow