Biden wins presidency, Trump denied second term in White House, Fox News projects

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

57 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

I’m pretty sure we are talking about the same case.  Delivery extension?  Due to postal delays?  

If so, the courts are likely going to view that the damage to the disenfranchised voter is real and measurable while the damage to the campaign is frivolous.  There might even be some evidence based on postal service activity under direction from the Trump administration that the disenfranchisement was intended. 

 

As to the case related to the ballot inspections the poll-watchers implied they weren’t allowed inside grudgingly admitted that in fact they were, which incensed the judge. 

 

Now Ima ask seriously - is there one I missed (related to Pa)

 

Me personally - that’s why I step up, hit a booth, vote in person.

The overarching issue at hand is whether or not ballots PA received 3 days after the election will have been presumed to be (regardless of postmark) valid. The state passed legislation long ago saying its not valid past 8pm election day. The Democrats sued to extend allowing ballots because "covid" regardless of the law. PA supreme court decided on its own to agree with Democrats, lets make it 3 days. So the court overturned law. SCOTUS in a 4-4 decision chose not to take up the case (yet), but ordered them to keep the piles separate, and until today, PA didn't make much effort to demonstrate they did, so Alito hammered them with a "you better, or else" notice. 

 

So assuming they even take up the case.. SCOTUS will be looking at whether or not the state supreme court had the authority to remake election laws, with consideration of the time of the change only a few weeks before the election. If they take up the case there's a high probability they toss out the state supreme court thing. Validity of the ballots is also in question, and if there winds up any evidence separation was not properly followed, this could result in a ton of ballots invalidated. Also the general validity of the ballots because of the election law and the supreme court order that basically resulted in all ballots after election day being tossed. The number of these ballots I think are small, but if you combine that with the observer issue (not merely if they were/weren't allowed in the room, but that they were not respecting a court order about 6 feet and making them be 15, 25+ feet away where they couldn't observe ballots or challenge them, which they may incorporate into it, this part could be very devastating. There's lastly another impending lawsuit involving thousands of dead voters that almost certainly goes the GOP's way (this is among the easiest things to prove), not sure if it'll even be in this or might be in the lower courts, but that's also not enough, I don't think, to change election outcomes.

 

If they refuse to take it up, there are remedies the GOP still has by delaying to a House vote, or by certifying their own electors, but these would be extreme, and probably only if they really have proof of something and are getting no relief from the court as there are likely career consequences to that. Anyway, all of this is just PA.

 

Regardless, the attempts to increase the chances fraud happen wouldn't make me feel bad if a decision resulting in a different election outcome occurs. 

Edited November 9, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, JoBri said:

Let me also add to the above, when I went into the Army, I took the following oath: "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." 

 

Until we have a legitimate,  lawfully elected president, I dont care who the "media" claims to be president, I still honor that oath, regardless of my current status in the military. I support and defend the Constitution, as it was written, and the LEGALLY elected President of the United States, with no extraneous bullcrap involved 

 

  Trump won't be the president after January 5th. The only thing your oath binds you to do at that time is escort him to the front lawn.

 

  Remember if the election is still in dispute after January 5th, the speaker of the house assumes the role of president. In that case your orders will come from President Pelosi until the next president is sworn in.

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[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 hour ago, Nitas_man said:

Just know that we stood by and made sure your military ballot was processed and not thrown out like Lt Bonespur asked them to do

Funny how you guys on the Left love to call him Bonespur but saying nothing about Asthama Joe. He got deferments for asthma all the while playing college football. 

Edited November 9, 2020 by Cyberfx1024

[Steeleballz 7,550]

14 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Funny how you guys on the Left love to call him Bonespur but saying nothing about Asthama Joe. He got deferments for asthma all the while playing college football. 

 

   Actually a lot of people got deferments during the Vietnam war era. It wouldn't have been an issue for most people. Trump made it one with his brutal and really unnecessary attacks on people like John McCain. I don't know if it hurt him in the reelection, but it sure didn't help him. Just one more thing he brought down on himself really. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Actually a lot of people got deferments during the Vietnam war era. It wouldn't have been an issue for most people. Trump made it one with his brutal and really unnecessary attacks on people like John McCain. I don't know if it hurt him in the reelection, but it sure didn't help him. Just one more thing he brought down on himself really. 

McCain's service during Vietnam was admirable but his time in the Senate was less than admirable. He was a war monger and loved sending people to war. He even wanted us to go to war in Syria against Assad. Did you know at one time in Syria McCain had the CIA funding/supporting the FSA, while the DOD was supporting/funding the PKK. All of which was at war with each other and Assad. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

14 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Actually a lot of people got deferments during the Vietnam war era. It wouldn't have been an issue for most people. Trump made it one with his brutal and really unnecessary attacks on people like John McCain. I don't know if it hurt him in the reelection, but it sure didn't help him. Just one more thing he brought down on himself really. 

Also I don't think that McCain brought up his deferments but someone else did. Of course it didn't help him with reelection because the globalist lincoln project kept advertising and making stuff up about him

Edited November 9, 2020 by Cyberfx1024

[Steeleballz 7,550]

5 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Also I don't think that McCain brought up his deferments but someone else did. Of course it didn't help him with reelection because the globalist lincoln project kept advertising and making stuff up about him

 

  Right, Trump criticized McCain and made disparaging comments about his military service, which led other people to bring up Trumps deferment. I am saying it likely wouldn't have been an issue otherwise. There are many presidents who didn't serve in the military. It's not really a big issue for most people. 

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[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

39 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

McCain's service during Vietnam was admirable but his time in the Senate was less than admirable. He was a war monger and loved sending people to war. He even wanted us to go to war in Syria against Assad. Did you know at one time in Syria McCain had the CIA funding/supporting the FSA, while the DOD was supporting/funding the PKK. All of which was at war with each other and Assad. 

This is right, as a typical neocon, no lives mattered to him at all, whether it was the lives of Americans he sold out in his service, the lives of people in the Middle East ruined by American foreign policy, and especially the lives of Americans he sent to their demise in Iraq and elsewhere as you pointed out, for the benefit of him and enriching his little buddies. That's what American lives are worth eh? No service makes that acceptable, ever. The last straw was him working with people in the bureaus to subvert an election with this Russiagate hoax because of his jealousy of watching a guy not in his little group of political friends ascend to the top, then undermine an elected President working with those trying to overthrow him. I think cancer immediately following that was not only karma, but too kind a comeuppance, along with watching his unhinged efforts fail. That's as polite an opinion I think I can give.

Edited November 9, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[nykolos 711]

11 hours ago, Orangesapples said:

The only promise he tried to keep was the stupid wall, which was his whole economic plan plus tariffs. He had zero vision of how to improve the economy other than "Build the wall"

The "only" promise?   CNN and MSNBC has censored that much of Trumps accomplishments?  I didn't realize.
 

This from Politi-Fact
 https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/rulings/promise-kept/

 

Take no salary   ✅
"If I'm elected president, I'm accepting no salary."

Create private White House veterans hotline ✅
"I will create a private White House hotline – that is answered by a real person 24 hours a day – to make sure that no valid complaint about the VA ever falls through the cracks. I will instruct my staff that if a valid complaint is not acted upon, then the issue be brought directly to me, and I will pick up the phone and fix it myself, if need be."

Make no cuts to Social Security ✅
“I’m not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.”

Slash federal regulations.  ✅
"A requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated." 

Place lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying for foreign government  ✅
"I'm going to issue a lifetime ban against senior executive branch officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.”

Defund Planned Parenthood ✅
"I would defund it because of the abortion factor, which they say is 3 percent. I don't know what percentage it is. They say it's 3 percent. But I would defund it, because I'm pro-life."

Nominate someone from his list of justices to replace Antonin Scalia  ✅
“I am looking to appoint judges very much in the mold of Justice Scalia. I'm looking for judges — and I've actually picked 20 of them so that people would see.”   

3 Justices nominated and appointed to the Supreme Court in 4 years      

Ensure funding for historic black colleges  ✅
“My plan will also ensure funding for historic black colleges and universities, more affordable two- and four-year college and support for trade and vocational education.”

End the defense sequester ✅
“As soon as I take office I will ask Congress to fully eliminate the defense sequester and will submit a new budget to rebuild our military. It is so depleted. We will rebuild our military.”

Keep Guantanamo Bay Detention Center open ✅
“We’re going to keep, as you know, Gitmo, we’re keeping that open."

Move U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem ✅
"We will move the American embassy to the eternal capital of the Jewish people, Jerusalem."

Reverse Barack Obama's Cuba policy ✅
“The president’s one-sided deal for Cuba and with Cuba benefits only the Castro regime but all the concessions that Barack Obama has granted the Castro Regime was done through executive order, which means they can be undone and that is what I intend to do unless the Castro Regime meets our demands.”

Cancel the Paris climate agreement ✅
"We’re going to cancel the Paris Climate Agreement and stop all payments of U.S. tax dollars to U.N. global warming programs.”

Ask countries we protect to pay more for joint defense ✅
 "I think NATO's great. But it's got to be modernized. And countries that we're protecting have to pay what they're supposed to be paying."

Increase veterans' health care ✅
"We are going to make sure every veteran in America has the choice to seek care at the Veterans Administration or to seek private medical care paid for by our government."

Suspend immigration from terror-prone places ✅
“And if people don't like it, we've got to have a country folks. Got to have a country. Countries in which immigration will be suspended would include places like Syria and Libya. And we are going to stop the tens of thousands of people coming in from Syria.”

Limit legal immigration ✅
“We will reform legal immigration to serve the best interests of America and its workers, the forgotten people. Workers. We’re going to take care of our workers.”

Use U.S. steel for infrastructure projects ✅

Save the Carrier plant in Indiana ✅

"So here's what's going to happen: Within 24 hours, I'll get a call — the head of Carrier — and he'll say, 'Mr. President, we've decided to stay in the United States. That's what's going to happen. 100 percent."

Won't say 'Happy Holidays' ✅
"If I become president, we're going to be saying Merry Christmas at every store. You can leave (happy holidays) at the corner. ...Other religions can do what they want.”

Create a 10-percent repatriation tax ✅
"It (The Donald J. Trump tax plan) will provide a deemed repatriation of corporate profits held offshore at a one-time tax rate of 10 percent."

Reverse Barack Obama's 2016 gun executive order" ✅
I will veto. I will unsign that (President Barack Obama's gun executive order) so fast."

Use U.S. steel for infrastructure projects ✅

"A Trump Administration will also ensure that we start using American steel for American infrastructure."

Stop TPP ✅

"I'm going to issue our notification of intent to withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership." 

Renegotiate NAFTA ✅
“A Trump administration will renegotiate NAFTA and if we don't get the deal we want, we will terminate NAFTA and get a much better deal for our workers and our companies. 100 percent."

 

Needless to say, the guy with the funny orange hair has had a very busy 4 years 

 

 

 

 

 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

1 minute ago, nykolos said:

The "only" promise?   CNN and MSNBC has censored that much of Trumps accomplishments?  I didn't realize.
 

This from Politi-Fact
 https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/rulings/promise-kept/

 

Take no salary   ✅
"If I'm elected president, I'm accepting no salary."

Create private White House veterans hotline ✅
"I will create a private White House hotline – that is answered by a real person 24 hours a day – to make sure that no valid complaint about the VA ever falls through the cracks. I will instruct my staff that if a valid complaint is not acted upon, then the issue be brought directly to me, and I will pick up the phone and fix it myself, if need be."

Make no cuts to Social Security ✅
“I’m not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.”

Slash federal regulations.  ✅
"A requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated." 

Place lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying for foreign government  ✅
"I'm going to issue a lifetime ban against senior executive branch officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.”

Defund Planned Parenthood ✅
"I would defund it because of the abortion factor, which they say is 3 percent. I don't know what percentage it is. They say it's 3 percent. But I would defund it, because I'm pro-life."

Nominate someone from his list of justices to replace Antonin Scalia  ✅
“I am looking to appoint judges very much in the mold of Justice Scalia. I'm looking for judges — and I've actually picked 20 of them so that people would see.”   

3 Justices nominated and appointed to the Supreme Court in 4 years      

Ensure funding for historic black colleges  ✅
“My plan will also ensure funding for historic black colleges and universities, more affordable two- and four-year college and support for trade and vocational education.”

End the defense sequester ✅
“As soon as I take office I will ask Congress to fully eliminate the defense sequester and will submit a new budget to rebuild our military. It is so depleted. We will rebuild our military.”

Keep Guantanamo Bay Detention Center open ✅
“We’re going to keep, as you know, Gitmo, we’re keeping that open."

Move U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem ✅
"We will move the American embassy to the eternal capital of the Jewish people, Jerusalem."

Reverse Barack Obama's Cuba policy ✅
“The president’s one-sided deal for Cuba and with Cuba benefits only the Castro regime but all the concessions that Barack Obama has granted the Castro Regime was done through executive order, which means they can be undone and that is what I intend to do unless the Castro Regime meets our demands.”

Cancel the Paris climate agreement ✅
"We’re going to cancel the Paris Climate Agreement and stop all payments of U.S. tax dollars to U.N. global warming programs.”

Ask countries we protect to pay more for joint defense ✅
 "I think NATO's great. But it's got to be modernized. And countries that we're protecting have to pay what they're supposed to be paying."

Increase veterans' health care ✅
"We are going to make sure every veteran in America has the choice to seek care at the Veterans Administration or to seek private medical care paid for by our government."

Suspend immigration from terror-prone places ✅
“And if people don't like it, we've got to have a country folks. Got to have a country. Countries in which immigration will be suspended would include places like Syria and Libya. And we are going to stop the tens of thousands of people coming in from Syria.”

Limit legal immigration ✅
“We will reform legal immigration to serve the best interests of America and its workers, the forgotten people. Workers. We’re going to take care of our workers.”

Use U.S. steel for infrastructure projects ✅

Save the Carrier plant in Indiana ✅

"So here's what's going to happen: Within 24 hours, I'll get a call — the head of Carrier — and he'll say, 'Mr. President, we've decided to stay in the United States. That's what's going to happen. 100 percent."

Won't say 'Happy Holidays' ✅
"If I become president, we're going to be saying Merry Christmas at every store. You can leave (happy holidays) at the corner. ...Other religions can do what they want.”

Create a 10-percent repatriation tax ✅
"It (The Donald J. Trump tax plan) will provide a deemed repatriation of corporate profits held offshore at a one-time tax rate of 10 percent."

Reverse Barack Obama's 2016 gun executive order" ✅
I will veto. I will unsign that (President Barack Obama's gun executive order) so fast."

Use U.S. steel for infrastructure projects ✅

"A Trump Administration will also ensure that we start using American steel for American infrastructure."

Stop TPP ✅

"I'm going to issue our notification of intent to withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership." 

Renegotiate NAFTA ✅
“A Trump administration will renegotiate NAFTA and if we don't get the deal we want, we will terminate NAFTA and get a much better deal for our workers and our companies. 100 percent."

 

Needless to say, the guy with the funny orange hair has had a very busy 4 years 

 

 

 

 

 

You'd never see Biden working his butt off like that for the people, the last few weeks were more than telling.

[nykolos 711]

1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

McCain's service during Vietnam was admirable but his time in the Senate was less than admirable. He was a war monger and loved sending people to war. He even wanted us to go to war in Syria against Assad. Did you know at one time in Syria McCain had the CIA funding/supporting the FSA, while the DOD was supporting/funding the PKK. All of which was at war with each other and Assad. 

Spot on! 

[nykolos 711]

Just now, Burnt Reynolds said:

You'd never see Biden working his butt off like that for the people, the last few weeks were more than telling.

Of course not, it's not about the people, If it was about the people, he'd be pushing Pelosi to get a relief bill to 33 MILLION UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY HURTING! 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Right, Trump criticized McCain and made disparaging comments about his military service, which led other people to bring up Trumps deferment. I am saying it likely wouldn't have been an issue otherwise. There are many presidents who didn't serve in the military. It's not really a big issue for most people. 

Trump's remarks disparaging McCains military service were beyond inappropriate and undignified. 

Whatever he was or wasnt if you got the cajones to pilot a jet being flung of a ship in the ocean, your a bad " shut your mouth" in my book.