Biden wins presidency, Trump denied second term in White House, Fox News projects

[Nitas_man 3,100]

2 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Talking points go both ways.  Btw, I wish you could keep the water out of the gasoline.

Im not pulling talking points out of anywhere

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1 minute ago, Nitas_man said:

Im not pulling talking points out of anywhere

Yeah, for some reason they seem quite similar to the Lincoln Project buffoons.

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Just now, Dashinka said:

Yeah, for some reason they seem quite similar to the Lincoln Project buffoons.

Really.  Which point

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5 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

Really.  Which point

The entire Trump is the blame for everything point.  Right out of the LP and their TDS.  I will admit that those that started the LP were doing all they can to make money for themselves, they saw a niche and are exploiting it in a very divisive way.  I wonder how they will pivot come 2022 and 2024, will they continue to support Joe and Democrats if they don’t get their way.  I suppose so.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

26 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

I said “us” as not included in the noisy minority who find COV (in your words) “not meaningful”

 

I said pandemic and nothing I said was limited to the US.  You may review if you wish.

 

I am not debating you.  You are not worth debating.  You are a cloud of gas and talking points.  You haven’t put a faint scratch on anything I have said in here.  “It’s obvious this is political”

comes from where?  This has nothing to do with politics. It’s obvious to nobody but you.  We probably share the same politics anyway however this issue was a failure that was not going to be overlooked.

"They are meaningful to us"

 

Us not being Earthlings. You're talking about people in the US, whether as a whole or Texans (we were talking about both). You're just doing an awful job of walking that back. Where it's most blatantly political, as I referenced, was where you blame Trump for the results of shutdowns governors institute, not Trump. Then you suggest these shutdowns, which are not indicative in any way of how an economy is actually trending, are actually related to people moving to renewables, which flies in the face of production. 

 

And as for us sharing the same politics, I'd say that about most people, but it's far more likely you're way more conservative than I am (I am not a conservative), I just don't care for the stuff you and others are pulling.

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1 minute ago, Dashinka said:

The entire Trump is the blame for everything point.  Right out of the LP and their TDS.  I will admit that those that started the LP were doing all they can to make money for themselves, they saw a niche and are exploiting it in a very divisive way.  I wonder how they will pivot come 2022 and 2024, will they continue to support Joe and Democrats if they don’t get their way.  I suppose so.

Trump is the one who mocked the experts and those who followed the recommendations of the experts all the way into his final rallies.  Trump is the one who misled the country from February.  Trump led the charge in Corona spread and laughed about doing it.  Derangement would fall under overlooking that and looking for some 

 

14 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

The entire Trump is the blame for everything point.  Right out of the LP and their TDS.  I will admit that those that started the LP were doing all they can to make money for themselves, they saw a niche and are exploiting it in a very divisive way.  I wonder how they will pivot come 2022 and 2024, will they continue to support Joe and Democrats if they don’t get their way.  I suppose so.

TDS did not have Trump mocking public health recommendations to his last rally.  Attributing this to TDS is a different category of derangement

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33 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

He posted global stats, go read.

It's not as hard as your making it. 

 

Besides globally or locally, no death rate is plummetting. 

 

No one is debating you, you are just on some odd orbit.

His "global stats" was not what I responded to. We were talking about the US and Texas.

 

And yes, it's plummeting when the current US death rate is 2.3% and it was well over 4% in May. It's halved, which indicates the national rate has plummeted toward 1% since then, despite the monthly hysteria about cases as if they should just magically stop in light of more testing done than before.

Edited November 8, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Nitas_man 3,100]

5 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

"They are meaningful to us"

 

Us not being Earthlings. You're talking about people in the US, whether as a whole or Texans (we were talking about both). You're just doing an awful job of walking that back. Where it's most blatantly political, as I referenced, was where you blame Trump for the results of shutdowns governors institute, not Trump. Then you suggest these shutdowns, which are not indicative in any way of how an economy is actually trending, are actually related to people moving to renewables, which flies in the face of production. 

 

And as for us sharing the same politics, I'd say that about most people, but it's far more likely you're way more conservative than I am (I am not a conservative), I just don't care for the stuff you and others are pulling.

I haven’t complained about shutdowns.  Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.

 

I clarified what I said.  From that you are welcome to infer (make up) whatever your imagination leads you to imagine.  I’m used to that from you folks 😂

 

I said nothing to correlate shutdowns to renewables either.  Your train has completely jumped the track.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

His "global stats" was not what I responded to. We were talking about the US and Texas.

 

And yes, it's plummeting when the current US death rate is 2.3% and it was well over 4% in May. It's halved, which indicates the national rate has plummeted toward 1% since then, despite the monthly hysteria about cases as if they should just magically stop in light of more testing done than before.

I wasn’t.  

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2 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

Trump is the one who mocked the experts and those who followed the recommendations of the experts all the way into his final rallies.  Trump is the one who misled the country from February.  Trump led the charge in Corona spread and laughed about doing it.  Derangement would fall under overlooking that and looking for some 

 

TDS did not have Trump mocking public health recommendations to his last rally.  Attributing this to TDS is a different category of derangement

Trump mocked the "experts" because they deserved mocking. The people you and others are citing now didn't want a shutdown in January. The WHO likened shutdowns to xenophobia which would harm the poor "global economy", along with China's. It was nice to see "health experts" becoming economic experts subservient to the economic bottom lines of places on the other side of this rock. Fauci was one who said masks were useless and ineffective, along with literature (and everyone's common knowledge about bad American habits) before this whole "mask up" fetish followed. There absolutely could've been things Trump ought to have done better, but the "powers" he had were very limited, for good reason. The same people that are sitting there crying their faces off about how authoritarian Trump is, are also saying he should be an authoritarian. The constitution doesn't permit him to do as he pleases, the scope of things he can personally do are very limited by the Constitution, spelled out clearly. The other things are covered by the states, which is why shutdowns and such were done by governors and mayors and not the President. So the people crying about Trump doing more don't really substantiate these things with anything reasonable, it always amounts to nothing other than orange man bad. It doesn't take a Trump supporter, conservative, nor Republican to see that.

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47 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

George W. Bush congratulates Biden while Christie says Trump may soon need to 'move on'

The former president is the most prominent Republican so far to congratulate Biden despite Trump's refusal to concede the election.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/chris-christie-close-trump-ally-suggests-it-may-soon-be-n1247036

 

It was so important early on to say to the president, 'If your basis for not conceding is that there was voter fraud, then show us,'" Christie told ABC's "This Week." "Show us. Because if you can't show us, we can't do this. We can't back you blindly without evidence."

"I'm hoping that more Republicans move in the direction of saying, not that we don't support the president, he's been a friend of mine for 20 years, but friendship doesn't mean that you're blind," Christie added. "Friendship means that you'll listen to somebody, give them their opportunity, and if they don't come forward with the proof, then it's time to move on."

The Bush family has always shown class

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8 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

Trump is the one who mocked the experts and those who followed the recommendations of the experts all the way into his final rallies.  Trump is the one who misled the country from February.  Trump led the charge in Corona spread and laughed about doing it.  Derangement would fall under overlooking that and looking for some 

 

TDS did not have Trump mocking public health recommendations to his last rally.  Attributing this to TDS is a different category of derangement

Yes, it is interesting when someone has an opinion differing from your own they are just parroting someone else’s talking points.  Everyone has their own opinions regardless of how they may match someone else’s.  There are a lot of factors that contribute to the Covid issue and most of that is on the various States, and many of the things the states are doing may have detrimental impacts to the spread.   It it is all Trump’s fault, so in your eyes he should have acted more like the dictator the Left and the Media kept telling us he was.  

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6 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

The Bush family has always shown class

Indeed. Where I really loved the class of the Bushes was their lying about Iraq causing the deaths of more Americans than the 9/11 event he and his administration insisted they were responsible for. 

 

Or better yet, the class of sending Joseph Wilson to find those yellowcake documents, and when he came back saying they were forgeries, the Bush administration lied to the public anyways and used his name. When he publicly disputed his name being associated with an obvious lie, the Bush admin leaked his undercover wife's name to the media putting her at risk. 

 

Just can't compete with all that class. Screw the Bushes. There's a reason Republican voters wanted nothing more to do with that family in 2016. The only disappointing thing is it took so many of them over a decade to figure it out. Fitting that you haven't yet.

Edited November 8, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Dashinka 24,505]

5 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

The Bush family has always shown class

Yeah, that is about all they have shown.

[Nitas_man 3,100]

7 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Trump mocked the "experts" because they deserved mocking. The people you and others are citing now didn't want a shutdown in January. The WHO likened shutdowns to xenophobia which would harm the poor "global economy", along with China's. It was nice to see "health experts" becoming economic experts subservient to the economic bottom lines of places on the other side of this rock. Fauci was one who said masks were useless and ineffective, along with literature (and everyone's common knowledge about bad American habits) before this whole "mask up" fetish followed. There absolutely could've been things Trump ought to have done better, but the "powers" he had were very limited, for good reason. The same people that are sitting there crying their faces off about how authoritarian Trump is, are also saying he should be an authoritarian. The constitution doesn't permit him to do as he pleases, the scope of things he can personally do are very limited by the Constitution, spelled out clearly. The other things are covered by the states, which is why shutdowns and such were done by governors and mayors and not the President. So the people crying about Trump doing more don't really substantiate these things with anything reasonable, it always amounts to nothing other than orange man bad. It doesn't take a Trump supporter, conservative, nor Republican to see that.

The “mask up” fetish showed up during the SARS outbreaks and carried into this one.  Japan, for example, issued masks to every family early in their outbreak for example and in fact the people were complaining that they did not issue more.  The CDC recommendation for masks in public was issued April 3rd.  The US was at about 7500 reported deaths.  Trump was mocking masks more than 200,000 deaths later the day before the election.  You will never link enough words and sentences together to excuse that.  Those policies killed more americans than every war combined since WWII

Edited November 8, 2020 by Nitas_man

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7 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

The “mask up” fetish showed up during the SARS outbreaks and carried into this one.  Japan, for example, issued masks to every family early in their outbreak for example and in fact the people were complaining that they did not issue more.  The CDC recommendation for masks in public was issued April 3rd.  The US was at about 7500 reported deaths.  Trump was mocking masks more than 200,000 deaths later the day before the election.  You will never link enough words and sentences together to excuse that.

Japan is Japan. Americans aren't the Japanese. So pretending like you can copy and paste their culture (or any other Asian cultures that are far more okay with wearing masks at any given time) onto the US is pure fantasy. Part of understanding efficacy is understanding what people will and won't do. If one wants Americans to adopt a certain behavior, the dumbest thing to do is have an authority figure simply decree it. That's not how American society works, even though there are some clear fetishists looking for someone to give them orders. It isn't Trump's fault just because he laughs off the idea, especially in light of "experts" initially saying masks do eff all. It's worth laughing off, and still is. 

Edited November 8, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds