Biden wins presidency, Trump denied second term in White House, Fox News projects

[Nitas_man 3,100]

4 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

I am sure old Vlad is hoping Joe and Kamala keep their promise of eliminating fracking.

They did not say they were going to “eliminate fracking” but I’m sure as an oil and gas expert you probably have an inside track

19 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

‘These People’, kind of a broad generalization there.

Yep

 

One tune, one set of talking points

Edited November 8, 2020 by Nitas_man

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

3 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

Fracking boomed under Obama/Biden.  
 

There is no, zero new development right now.  Capacity to run it is idled.  Three US refineries have closed.  Ours is laying off.  Exxon laid a lot of people off.  The market is worse than the 2015 price war.  Trump did us no favors and Biden knows this business and it was their administration, not Trump’s, who got us to energy independence.  

How is it Trump's fault? The world economy is in the gutter right now due to Covid. So there isn't demand for oil. 

 

They are both still working 

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[Nitas_man 3,100]

26 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

People on your side said that and kept repeating it. 

 

https://www.wusa9.com/article/features/producers-picks/socialism-and-defund-the-police-are-losing-slogans-says-virginia-democrat/65-b8f93666-81a4-4ec8-bf46-a1f86477e16f

In some communities it appears that the police have turned on the communities they serve.  
Were the dems to turn on us, would we not feel the same way?  We would.  We’d suit up and we all know it.  There is evidently a problem.  It needs to be uncovered and addressed.  The answer is not “defund or dominate the streets”

 

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[Nitas_man 3,100]

8 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

How is it Trump's fault? The world economy is in the gutter right now due to Covid. So there isn't demand for oil. 

 

They are both still working 

As am I.  However they aren’t making the required margin to sustain themselves.  Fracking requires continuous fracking LOL.  These aren’t wells that sustain production for years and years.  That’s up in Eastern Alaska. Out in the deep Gulf.  Not shale plays.
 

Exactly.  COVID.  You get it.  We dont climb out of that and soon, it’s going to be a long hard road.  Ignoring or dismissing that has and will continue to have far-flung and grave economic consequences:

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[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

5 hours ago, abum said:

 

You have to wonder, why is it so hard to just share the advice that healthcare experts around the world had agreed that it would reduce the transmission of Covid19? 

 

 

 

The increase of testing, along with the covid death rate plummeting, has shown that positive cases aren't all that meaningful. I'd cite the death rate in these states which likely points to the last time this discussion came up (showing the usual, NY, MA, etc. as among the worst) but it never stops the obsessive paranoia with cases. In fact, in Canada, "cases" are causing shutdowns again, against all logic. All that can be done is to ignore the case hysteria.

 

7 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

As am I.  However they aren’t making the required margin to sustain themselves.  Fracking requires continuous fracking LOL.  These aren’t wells that sustain production for years and years.  That’s up in Eastern Alaska. Out in the deep Gulf.  Not shale plays.
 

Exactly.  COVID.  You get it.  We dont climb out of that and soon, it’s going to be a long hard road.  Ignoring or dismissing that has and will continue to have far-flung and grave economic consequences:

It's entirely up to how much your governor capitulates to case-based fearmongering. I just note that you blamed Trump for shutting things down and skipped right on over the actual person shutting things down. Exhibit A of TDS.

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[Nitas_man 3,100]

2 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

The increase of testing, along with the covid death rate plummeting, has shown that positive cases aren't all that meaningful. I'd cite the death rate in these states which likely points to the last time this discussion came up (showing the usual, NY, MA, etc. as among the worst) but it never stops the obsessive paranoia with cases. In fact, in Canada, "cases" are causing shutdowns again, against all logic. All that can be done is to ignore the case hysteria.

They are meaningful to us and it isn’t “plummeting”.  It was 1-2% early in the pandemic, it’s 1-2% now.  That’s a lot

of bodies.  In about 4 weeks we’re going to be at 2000 dead per day.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

10 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

As am I.  However they aren’t making the required margin to sustain themselves.  Fracking requires continuous fracking LOL.  These aren’t wells that sustain production for years and years.  That’s up in Eastern Alaska. Out in the deep Gulf.  Not shale plays.
 

Exactly.  COVID.  You get it.  We dont climb out of that and soon, it’s going to be a long hard road.  Ignoring or dismissing that has and will continue to have far-flung and grave economic consequences:

I am talking about the Global economy not just ours. Even if we get our stuff together then we will still have an issue in regards to demand

[Nitas_man 3,100]

10 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

The increase of testing, along with the covid death rate plummeting, has shown that positive cases aren't all that meaningful. I'd cite the death rate in these states which likely points to the last time this discussion came up (showing the usual, NY, MA, etc. as among the worst) but it never stops the obsessive paranoia with cases. In fact, in Canada, "cases" are causing shutdowns again, against all logic. All that can be done is to ignore the case hysteria.

 

It's entirely up to how much your governor capitulates to case-based fearmongering. I just note that you blamed Trump for shutting things down and skipped right on over the actual person shutting things down. Exhibit A of TDS.

Our state opened wide.  The mask order followed the overfilled hospitals.  Hysteria didnt hospitalize those people.

4 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I am talking about the Global economy not just ours. Even if we get our stuff together then we will still have an issue in regards to demand

The eastern side of the global economy is doing just fine.  Their response looked a lot different.  No panic, no hysteria, but if you got caught outside possibly spreading COV you got penalized.  They took it seriously and tackled it.  How did it work?  We better find out if we want to get higher than 10th from the bottom.  We all did some travelling.  Those cities are crowded.  How’d they do it?  We need to join the world and get back to working on a coordinated response.  The Aussies did a pretty good job.

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[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

16 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

They are meaningful to us and it isn’t “plummeting”.  It was 1-2% early in the pandemic, it’s 1-2% now.  That’s a lot

of bodies.  In about 4 weeks we’re going to be at 2000 dead per day.

Lie.

 

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/rankings-and-ratings/states-ranked-by-covid-19-case-fatality-rate.html

 

Half the states here have a death rate of 7% on average (range of 0-14%), and the overall average is 4%. It was never 1-2% until the summer. 😂 And that correlates specifically with enormous amounts of testing, meaning spikes in positive cases (which conveniently was met with similar hysteria). In that Florida thread I believe you participated in, the left and others were harping over raw death numbers or raw cases numbers while ignoring the plummeting rates (death, hospitalization, etc.), details that actually matter. It's very obvious when this is political and has nothing to do with health.

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[Nitas_man 3,100]

5 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Lie.

 

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/rankings-and-ratings/states-ranked-by-covid-19-case-fatality-rate.html

 

Half the states here have a death rate of 7% on average (range of 0-14%), and the overall average is 4%. It was never 1-2% until the summer. 😂 And that correlates specifically with enormous amounts of testing, meaning spikes in positive cases (which conveniently was met with similar hysteria). In that Florida thread I believe you participated in, the left and others were harping over raw death numbers or raw cases numbers while ignoring the plummeting rates (death, hospitalization, etc.), details that actually matter. It's very obvious when this is political and has nothing to do with health.

I am speaking globally

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

4 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

I am speaking globally

And using "we" to speak of the entire world as if you're debating people from other planets? Man, get that nonsense outta here. You were talking about the US and so were the rest of us.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

George W. Bush congratulates Biden while Christie says Trump may soon need to 'move on'

The former president is the most prominent Republican so far to congratulate Biden despite Trump's refusal to concede the election.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/chris-christie-close-trump-ally-suggests-it-may-soon-be-n1247036

 

It was so important early on to say to the president, 'If your basis for not conceding is that there was voter fraud, then show us,'" Christie told ABC's "This Week." "Show us. Because if you can't show us, we can't do this. We can't back you blindly without evidence."

"I'm hoping that more Republicans move in the direction of saying, not that we don't support the president, he's been a friend of mine for 20 years, but friendship doesn't mean that you're blind," Christie added. "Friendship means that you'll listen to somebody, give them their opportunity, and if they don't come forward with the proof, then it's time to move on."

[Nitas_man 3,100]

19 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

And using "we" to speak of the entire world as if you're debating people from other planets? Man, get that nonsense outta here. You were talking about the US and so were the rest of us.

I said “us” as not included in the noisy minority who find COV (in your words) “not meaningful”

 

I said pandemic and nothing I said was limited to the US.  You may review if you wish.

 

I am not debating you.  You are not worth debating.  You are a cloud of gas and talking points.  You haven’t put a faint scratch on anything I have said in here.  “It’s obvious this is political”

comes from where?  This has nothing to do with politics. It’s obvious to nobody but you.  We probably share the same politics anyway however this issue was a failure that was not going to be overlooked.

Edited November 8, 2020 by Nitas_man

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21 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

And using "we" to speak of the entire world as if you're debating people from other planets? Man, get that nonsense outta here. You were talking about the US and so were the rest of us.

He posted global stats, go read.

It's not as hard as your making it. 

 

Besides globally or locally, no death rate is plummetting. 

 

No one is debating you, you are just on some odd orbit.

Edited November 8, 2020 by CanAm1980

[Dashinka 24,653]

1 hour ago, Nitas_man said:

They did not say they were going to “eliminate fracking” but I’m sure as an oil and gas expert you probably have an inside track

Yep

 

One tune, one set of talking points

Talking points go both ways.  Btw, I wish you could keep the water out of the gasoline.