Biden wins presidency, Trump denied second term in White House, Fox News projects

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1 hour ago, Nitas_man said:

Started feeling that way when “inauguration crowd size” became a critical issue

it is like someone wanted to compensate for something that he was lacking.. i wonder what that is....

[yuna628 9,687]

6 hours ago, nykolos said:

When you have so much hate for somebody and listen to one of the left wing networks (for what you believe is "news") and they report a damaging story about that person, the hater will believe it in its' entirety without a scintilla of proof, because they desperately want it to be true.. The one detrimental thing about being a hater is, you lose what little intellectual honesty you have left.

 

Yeah, Trump is a arrogant, trash talking New Yorker and he can be a jerk at times, I get it, it's not that appealing to a lot of people, especially Women, which worked against him in this election, but he's a successful jerk, one who genuinely cares about the welfare of the American people, he's the 2nd President in my lifetime who's actually followed through on his campaign promises, Reagan being the first,  Promises that I and the majority of Americans support.  What we'll get from a Biden Presidency is the same Democratic ways; No transparency, More Pay to Play, Higher taxation, Higher unemployement, Higher Gas and energy cost, More regulations that choke off business, more American companies moving operations overseas, Lower consumer confidence,  Higher crime rates, More illegals flooding our borders, Expressing weakness to the world,  A continuation of our failed public school system, depriving students of a quality education, the list goes on, and it's doubtful the mainstream media, who are propagandists will report on any of the above, and if they do, they'll blame it on Trump. 

 

All Republicans can do is look toward 2022, when Republicans win control of the House, increase their number in the Senate, handing Biden a lame duck Presidency for his last 2 years in office.

 

 

 

 

I sincerely understand how his supporters view him, but please understand that it is exceedingly difficult when someone believes that he actually gives a flying fig about the American people, let alone anyone, but himself. It's fine if you support him on policy, but like any politician they are usually in for themselves not the people that put them there. Trump is all that in a hyper-aggressive and childish way that is not becoming of the office or with people who cannot trade their morality for whatever empty security he offers.

 

I also cannot say what a Biden administration can or will do for the public school system. My view is largely that it's somewhat a states rights issue, and if there's a big problem in a state's school system, you need to look inwardly. Federal money only does so much. That being said, as someone that is familiar with Mrs. Biden, she is genuinely experienced and does care very much about kids and education, and I wouldn't be surprised if as First Lady her team comes up with something somewhat useful. Under the current administration nothing has been done to address any of the situations within the school system, and four additional years of him would not change that. Politicians are generally not interested in the subject, though will use it as a button issue to drum up support.

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2 hours ago, Nitas_man said:

States currently in exponential case growth:

 Wi, Mi, Oh, Tn, Indiana

 

These states were relatively unaffected all year.  
 

I saw what happened in Texas when the trumpers were determined to open up and spit coat for ‘Merica and before the state masked up.  It was bad, and these people have a butchers bill coming.  It is going to be bad.    Cases count to hospitalizations - 10 days to two weeks.  Deaths lag hospitalization spikes by 14-19 days.

 

Moved up in the ranks this fall, cases per 100k, top states:

 

ND, SD, Iowa, Wi, Mississippi, Nebraska, Tn

 

No, these aren’t protests.  Whatever caused this happened in the last 2-4 weeks while huge crowds of people were listening to and clapping to their mocker in chief wondering where his opponents supporters were.

 

Trumpism has completely swamped the poor performance of the early blue states like NY, NJ, Ct who got hit early with the difference being by now we know what to do and a deliberate decision was made to not only do the opposite but mock those who do try to be responsible in their communities.
 

Nice try though.  That summer spike pales compared to what’s coming.   We had marches in Houston.  Film’s available.  Most of them wore masks.

 

Republicanism to me is this:  I never once looked across town, found “someone else”, and chose how I will conduct myself or what is right and wrong based on what those people were doing.  I’ll never join that or be a part of that mentality.  Sorry.

 

 

You have to wonder, why is it so hard to just share the advice that healthcare experts around the world had agreed that it would reduce the transmission of Covid19? 

 

 

 

[Orangesapples 1,954]

4 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

with this election, i now realize this was not fiction, it was a documentary

No, that was the 2016 election. 

5 hours ago, nykolos said:

When you have so much hate for somebody and listen to one of the left wing networks (for what you believe is "news") and they report a damaging story about that person, the hater will believe it in its' entirety without a scintilla of proof, because they desperately want it to be true.. The one detrimental thing about being a hater is, you lose what little intellectual honesty you have left.

 

Yeah, Trump is a arrogant, trash talking New Yorker and he can be a jerk at times, I get it, it's not that appealing to a lot of people, especially Women, which worked against him in this election, but he's a successful jerk, one who genuinely cares about the welfare of the American people, he's the 2nd President in my lifetime who's actually followed through on his campaign promises, Reagan being the first,  Promises that I and the majority of Americans support.  What we'll get from a Biden Presidency is the same Democratic ways; No transparency, More Pay to Play, Higher taxation, Higher unemployement, Higher Gas and energy cost, More regulations that choke off business, more American companies moving operations overseas, Lower consumer confidence,  Higher crime rates, More illegals flooding our borders, Expressing weakness to the world,  A continuation of our failed public school system, depriving students of a quality education, the list goes on, and it's doubtful the mainstream media, who are propagandists will report on any of the above, and if they do, they'll blame it on Trump. 

 

All Republicans can do is look toward 2022, when Republicans win control of the House, increase their number in the Senate, handing Biden a lame duck Presidency for his last 2 years in office.

 

 

 

 

Trump is not a jerk at times, he's a jerk 100% of the time. He's also incapable of caring about anyone but himself, he's a narcissist. I've no idea how this is not immediately obvious to everyone, it's all about "Me, me, me!!" with him. He's incapable of empathy and you don't need liberal media to figure this out, you just need to hear him speak directly. He treated Puerto Rico terribly and didn't want to help them when they were hit by a disaster. He knew the coronavirus was serious and much more deadly than the flu (there is an audio recording of him saying that) and then he went and blatantly lied to the public about it, saying it's just like the flu. He didn't want Americans to get off a cruise ship and receive care because he didn't want the coronavirus numbers to go up in the US. This is a direct quote from him. He doesn't care if people die, he cares about his image. That's all. 

 

The only promise he tried to keep was the stupid wall, which was his whole economic plan plus tariffs. He had zero vision of how to improve the economy other than "Build the wall" and "Increase China tariffs" and he doesn't even know to this day how tariffs work, he still thinks China pays them. He's just not very intelligent and has no idea how the world works. He is only rich thanks to daddy, he has so many failed businesses and he's committed so much fraud. He's known for not paying his workers and contractors as well because he's a conman (Trump University is a complete scam as well). He has failed to actually grow his businesses any more than his wealth would have grown in a mutual fund. He's not successful, he's a trust fund spoiled baby. What he is good at is blatant self promotion and lying without even blinking once. He's a great liar and he's incapable of feeling shame or admitting he's wrong.

 

His administration introduced a tax bill that is a giant permanent tax cut for the rich and for corporations (which will somehow help the deficit apparently) and small, temporary (yes, temporary) tax cuts for regular people. 

 

Also, Trump's understanding of regulations is that of an elementary schooler. He introduced some ridiculous rule that for every new regulation, you have to remove two more regulations which is such a stupid and simplistic rule I don't even know if anyone needs help understanding why it's stupid. Some regulations might be too much but you need to look at them on a case by case basis and adjust after careful consideration, not just remove them because you're "anti regulation". Many regulations exist for a reason and they're definitely needed, even if they need to be adjusted a bit. But that's too hard for a simple minded person like the dear leader, he instead introduces simple solutions to complex problems and then makes them one liners he repeats constantly. "Build the wall", "Less regulations" - if only economic policy was that simple. 

 

Here is what Biden will do immediately after he becomes president:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-first-executive-orders-measures/2020/11/07/9fb9c1d0-210b-11eb-b532-05c751cd5dc2_story.html%3foutputType=amp

 

He will rejoin the Paris climate accords, according to those close to his campaign and commitments he has made in recent months, and he will reverse President Trump’s withdrawal from the World Health Organization. He will repeal the ban on almost all travel from some Muslim-majority countries, and he will reinstate the program allowing “dreamers,” who were brought to the United States illegally as children, to remain in the country, according to people familiar with his plans.

 

These 4 things are enough on their own to make Biden a much better president than Trump. If he got nothing else done but these 4 things, it still would have been worth it to replace Trump with him. There are dire consequences for the whole world and the future of humanity if the US is not part of the Paris agreement and the WHO, but again, those are complex issues that Trump is incapable of understanding and he definitely doesn't care about the world even his own grandchildren will have to live in, with increasing global temperatures and more extreme weather events and some places becoming uninhabitable. I remember he was shocked that Prince Charles actually cared about what would happen to the world after he's dead. That's just not a concern for Trump, it's all about "Me, me, me!" with him. 

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32 minutes ago, abum said:

it is like someone wanted to compensate for something that he was lacking.. i wonder what that is....

First president I know who drew global crowds and filled our city streets with parties when he got tossed out of office

Guess he finally got to the top.  Makes those pitiful rallies look like high school football games.

Edited November 8, 2020 by Nitas_man

[yuna628 9,687]

8 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

No, that was the 2016 election. 

Trump is not a jerk at times, he's a jerk 100% of the time. He's also incapable of caring about anyone but himself, he's a narcissist. I've no idea how this is not immediately obvious to everyone, it's all about "Me, me, me!!" with him. He's incapable of empathy and you don't need liberal media to figure this out, you just need to hear him speak directly. He treated Puerto Rico terribly and didn't want to help them when they were hit by a disaster. He knew the coronavirus was serious and much more deadly than the flu (there is an audio recording of him saying that) and then he went and blatantly lied to the public about it, saying it's just like the flu. He didn't want Americans to get off a cruise ship and receive care because he didn't want the coronavirus numbers to go up in the US. This is a direct quote from him. He doesn't care if people die, he cares about his image. That's all. 

 

The only promise he tried to keep was the stupid wall, which was his whole economic plan plus tariffs. He had zero vision of how to improve the economy other than "Build the wall" and "Increase China tariffs" and he doesn't even know to this day how tariffs work, he still thinks China pays them. He's just not very intelligent and has no idea how the world works. He is only rich thanks to daddy, he has so many failed businesses and he's committed so much fraud. He's known for not paying his workers and contractors as well because he's a conman (Trump University is a complete scam as well). He has failed to actually grow his businesses any more than his wealth would have grown in a mutual fund. He's not successful, he's a trust fund spoiled baby. What he is good at is blatant self promotion and lying without even blinking once. He's a great liar and he's incapable of feeling shame or admitting he's wrong.

 

 

Most politicians are liars. That is largely the artistry of being one. However I don't even find him to be a particularly skilled liar. He's rather terrible at it. What he does is something that is easily recognizable in many mega-pastor-pundits today, and that is likely the result of his upbringing and church leaders he was directly exposed to in his youth. There is no daylight between himself and his church influence (even though he wears the guise of being not religious to most and the next coming of Christ to others). It can be a highly attractive draw to some people and something a very good friend involved in ministry pointed out to me once. His terrible lying really is the result of a dogma that has been ingrained in him since a child.

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49 minutes ago, abum said:

 

You have to wonder, why is it so hard to just share the advice that healthcare experts around the world had agreed that it would reduce the transmission of Covid19? 

 

 

 

Trumpers made spreading covid into some kind of sick twist cult religion.  We can see looters.  We can see protesters.  We can choose to avoid them.  The cultists?  Not so easy.  

[Orangesapples 1,954]

27 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Most politicians are liars. That is largely the artistry of being one. However I don't even find him to be a particularly skilled liar. He's rather terrible at it. What he does is something that is easily recognizable in many mega-pastor-pundits today, and that is likely the result of his upbringing and church leaders he was directly exposed to in his youth. There is no daylight between himself and his church influence (even though he wears the guise of being not religious to most and the next coming of Christ to others). It can be a highly attractive draw to some people and something a very good friend involved in ministry pointed out to me once. His terrible lying really is the result of a dogma that has been ingrained in him since a child.

I'd say he's a shameless liar, he doesn't even flinch while lying and he's not embarrassed at all when he's caught. That confidence makes him seem strong and likeable to a certain part of the population that doesn't think about things deeply. 

 

Saying that all politicians lie and that's why Trump is just like that is like saying that many people are a few pounds overweight and compare them to a 600 lbs person. Trump is way out there and he was a shameless liar way before he got into politics. He's a compulsive liar, it's part of who he is, it's not just a plot for him to get elected. 

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24 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Most politicians are liars. That is largely the artistry of being one. However I don't even find him to be a particularly skilled liar. He's rather terrible at it. What he does is something that is easily recognizable in many mega-pastor-pundits today, and that is likely the result of his upbringing and church leaders he was directly exposed to in his youth. There is no daylight between himself and his church influence (even though he wears the guise of being not religious to most and the next coming of Christ to others). It can be a highly attractive draw to some people and something a very good friend involved in ministry pointed out to me once. His terrible lying really is the result of a dogma that has been ingrained in him since a child.

i look forward in the next few years to books and papers on this very subject. should be a fascinating read. i also hope that democrats can actually reach out to the people who supported him because they felt left out of any recovery and were the most hurt by terrible economic policies since Reagan and figure out a way to actually listen to their concerns and find a solution to help them. Biden is on the right track and having his focus on blue collar people, but there are so many more, especially in rural areas who believe, and rightly so, that they are not being spoken for in a real way by either party, so they become voters who focus on 2-3 issues- guns, abortion, and seeming government intrusion into things that affect their lives and livelihoods in negative ways. the only way to get through to them is through emotions and feelings because that is how they vote. not through facts and figures. not through charts telling them they are wrong. this is part of the reason they are so suspicious of talking heads and think that democrats talk down to them and are elitists.

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4 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

I'd say he's a shameless liar, he doesn't even flinch while lying and he's not embarrassed at all when he's caught. That confidence makes him seem strong and likeable to a certain part of the population that doesn't think about things deeply. 

 

Saying that all politicians lie and that's why Trump is just like that is like saying that many people are a few pounds overweight and compare them to a 600 lbs person. Trump is way out there and he was a shameless liar way before he got into politics. He's a compulsive liar, it's part of who he is, it's not just a plot for him to get elected. 

I think he truly believes what he says.  Which puts him into some other realm of reality that data does not pierce.  

He is very much a blank

sociopath.  

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19 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

I'd say he's a shameless liar, he doesn't even flinch while lying and he's not embarrassed at all when he's caught. That confidence makes him seem strong and likeable to a certain part of the population that doesn't think about things deeply. 

 

Saying that all politicians lie and that's why Trump is just like that is like saying that many people are a few pounds overweight and compare them to a 600 lbs person. Trump is way out there and he was a shameless liar way before he got into politics. He's a compulsive liar, it's part of who he is, it's not just a plot for him to get elected. 

Well yes, he's shameless and that's a part of the dogma he believes in. I guess what I'm trying to say there is little difference in any politician that lies to you, a lie is a lie is a lie - but Trump's lying is unique in that men usually lie to hide things, (yes he does do that) but his every day lying is about anything no matter how little, even things that don't need to be lied about. It's apart of him because it was emphasized to when young. It's a part and fundamental pillar of heresy he grew up on. What appears to be narcissism (not saying that he isn't, because how he was raised certainly contributed to it) and compulsive lying is normal to him because the church life conveyed that was how a person should be.

 

12 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

I think he truly believes what he says.  Which puts him into some other realm of reality that data does not pierce.  

He is very much a blank

sociopath.  

He does indeed. If he doesn't his entire reality would collapse. But how many also believe in what he says too... and are they going to be willing to let go?

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13 hours ago, laylalex said:

 

Sorry, out of hearts again.

 

    I felt bad - I ran through all mine early yesterday too and there were some really great posts and thoughtful analysis later on. 

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2 hours ago, Orangesapples said:

No, that was the 2016 election. 

Trump is not a jerk at times, he's a jerk 100% of the time. He's also incapable of caring about anyone but himself, he's a narcissist. I've no idea how this is not immediately obvious to everyone, it's all about "Me, me, me!!" with him. He's incapable of empathy and you don't need liberal media to figure this out, you just need to hear him speak directly. He treated Puerto Rico terribly and didn't want to help them when they were hit by a disaster. He knew the coronavirus was serious and much more deadly than the flu (there is an audio recording of him saying that) and then he went and blatantly lied to the public about it, saying it's just like the flu. He didn't want Americans to get off a cruise ship and receive care because he didn't want the coronavirus numbers to go up in the US. This is a direct quote from him. He doesn't care if people die, he cares about his image. That's all. 

 

The only promise he tried to keep was the stupid wall, which was his whole economic plan plus tariffs. He had zero vision of how to improve the economy other than "Build the wall" and "Increase China tariffs" and he doesn't even know to this day how tariffs work, he still thinks China pays them. He's just not very intelligent and has no idea how the world works. He is only rich thanks to daddy, he has so many failed businesses and he's committed so much fraud. He's known for not paying his workers and contractors as well because he's a conman (Trump University is a complete scam as well). He has failed to actually grow his businesses any more than his wealth would have grown in a mutual fund. He's not successful, he's a trust fund spoiled baby. What he is good at is blatant self promotion and lying without even blinking once. He's a great liar and he's incapable of feeling shame or admitting he's wrong.

 

His administration introduced a tax bill that is a giant permanent tax cut for the rich and for corporations (which will somehow help the deficit apparently) and small, temporary (yes, temporary) tax cuts for regular people. 

 

Also, Trump's understanding of regulations is that of an elementary schooler. He introduced some ridiculous rule that for every new regulation, you have to remove two more regulations which is such a stupid and simplistic rule I don't even know if anyone needs help understanding why it's stupid. Some regulations might be too much but you need to look at them on a case by case basis and adjust after careful consideration, not just remove them because you're "anti regulation". Many regulations exist for a reason and they're definitely needed, even if they need to be adjusted a bit. But that's too hard for a simple minded person like the dear leader, he instead introduces simple solutions to complex problems and then makes them one liners he repeats constantly. "Build the wall", "Less regulations" - if only economic policy was that simple. 

 

Here is what Biden will do immediately after he becomes president:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-first-executive-orders-measures/2020/11/07/9fb9c1d0-210b-11eb-b532-05c751cd5dc2_story.html%3foutputType=amp

 

He will rejoin the Paris climate accords, according to those close to his campaign and commitments he has made in recent months, and he will reverse President Trump’s withdrawal from the World Health Organization. He will repeal the ban on almost all travel from some Muslim-majority countries, and he will reinstate the program allowing “dreamers,” who were brought to the United States illegally as children, to remain in the country, according to people familiar with his plans.

 

These 4 things are enough on their own to make Biden a much better president than Trump. If he got nothing else done but these 4 things, it still would have been worth it to replace Trump with him. There are dire consequences for the whole world and the future of humanity if the US is not part of the Paris agreement and the WHO, but again, those are complex issues that Trump is incapable of understanding and he definitely doesn't care about the world even his own grandchildren will have to live in, with increasing global temperatures and more extreme weather events and some places becoming uninhabitable. I remember he was shocked that Prince Charles actually cared about what would happen to the world after he's dead. That's just not a concern for Trump, it's all about "Me, me, me!" with him. 

The Paris climate agreement was and is a POS at best. It is about taking money from wealthier countries and given it to poorer countries, not to mention it still puts China as a developmental country thus no limits. So we will be shooting ourselves in the foot economically. 

Why would we want to rejoin the WHO? They intentionally hid much needed information from us about Covid. 

 

 

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[Orangesapples 1,954]

24 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

The Paris climate agreement was and is a POS at best. It is about taking money from wealthier countries and given it to poorer countries, not to mention it still puts China as a developmental country thus no limits. So we will be shooting ourselves in the foot economically. 

Why would we want to rejoin the WHO? They intentionally hid much needed information from us about Covid. 

 

 

You obviously know nothing about the WHO. WHO eradicated smallpox and is now on the verge of eradicating polio and it needs international cooperation in order to be successful. Just because they made a few mistakes doesn't mean there is an alternative. But black and white thinking is typical for Trump fans, nuance is too hard. 

 

The Paris agreement is not enough but it's a step in the right direction. Also, it's not like Trump has any alternative for fighting climate change. What is he doing that will help the planet? I'll tell you what, rolling back anti pollution regulations because we're all better off if we breathe dirty air apparently.