2020 Election Thread

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

His likeability is off the charts. You should see his ads. Not that I am going to vote to give a dem a seat in the Senate, just reporting the truth. He never had one negative comment.

If the Pubs had a comfortable margin in the senate, heck I might vote for him

 

   Not to get too far ahead, because a lot can change in 2 years, but the Republicans do look vulnerable in 2022. There are 21 Republican senators up for reelection vs 13 Democrats, and Republicans will need to hold on to seats in some tough states like PA, WI, NC, NV, OH and also GA if they win the special election runoff in January. A lot of those seats went Republican in 2016 with support from Trump. I don't think the Republicans want to go into 2022 with a 50:50 split. They will be throwing everything they have at the GA runoffs. 

[laylalex 7,285]

Now I am seeing that definitely both races are going for a runoff. I guess we'll be able to keep this thread going through January then.....

[yuna628 9,676]

6 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I tend to agree with you, but I supposed there is a concern that the numbers counted early could be leaked to one or the other campaigns.

Well that doesn't seem to be an issue here or with any nearby state that counts early so far.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

So apparently the "software glitch" that happened in Michigan is done by a software called Dominion. Also AOC is talking about putting Trump supporters on a list and a truth an reconciliation commission. 
 

 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

I hope y'all are ready for a court battle because this is going to be a long drawn out process and it will go to SCOTUS. 

[designguy 1,179]

4 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I hope y'all are ready for a court battle because this is going to be a long drawn out process and it will go to SCOTUS. 

Probably not. If there is no reasonable expectation that a favorable outcome for the plaintiff would change the result of the election they are unlikely to hear the case. Florida in 2000 was like 500 votes. We are not talking about anything even close here

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Not to get too far ahead, because a lot can change in 2 years, but the Republicans do look vulnerable in 2022. There are 21 Republican senators up for reelection vs 13 Democrats, and Republicans will need to hold on to seats in some tough states like PA, WI, NC, NV, OH and also GA if they win the special election runoff in January. A lot of those seats went Republican in 2016 with support from Trump. I don't think the Republicans want to go into 2022 with a 50:50 split. They will be throwing everything they have at the GA runoffs. 

They need to save their money for 2022

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

3 minutes ago, designguy said:

Probably not. If there is no reasonable expectation that a favorable outcome for the plaintiff would change the result of the election they are unlikely to hear the case. Florida in 2000 was like 500 votes. We are not talking about anything even close here

Dude, there is more than enough doubt all around. There was just a simple "glitch" in Michigan that resulted in the change of thousands of ballots in one county alone. Now they have to recount almost half the state. This is definitely going in front of SCOTUS. 

[designguy 1,179]

2 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Dude, there is more than enough doubt all around. There was just a simple "glitch" in Michigan that resulted in the change of thousands of ballots in one county alone. Now they have to recount almost half the state. This is definitely going in front of SCOTUS. 

COTUS doesnt hear cases based on "doubt all around" but concrete grievances. The Trump team is in their right to present those to the lower courts and have it make their way through the appeals process but at this point there are no cases that look to be making their way to the SCOTUS and Alito basically just reinforced a process that was already happening and didnt agree with stopping the count in PA.  I looked into this Dominion issue and it appears to have been a combination of a reporting and clerical error. Definitely worth investigating what happened but nobody had their vote "changed" and Biden is leading Michigan by 140k votes not even in the realm of this having an effect

[Steeleballz 7,550]

10 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I hope y'all are ready for a court battle because this is going to be a long drawn out process and it will go to SCOTUS. 

 

     The outcome won't change, regardless of what they attempt to do in court. Bear in mind, the GOP have been making legal challenges in several venues for months. They will need to come up with something new.

 

  The path Trump can hope for right now is to catch up in Arizona, which he has a legitimate shot at, and then win recounts in Georgia and Wisconsin to get to 269. Those are slim odds, but they are way better odds than having the outcome decided in court. It's his money though, so he can do what he wants, and he likely will. Honestly, the time would be better used to start planning  for 2024. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

3 minutes ago, designguy said:

COTUS doesnt hear cases based on "doubt all around" but concrete grievances. The Trump team is in their right to present those to the lower courts and have it make their way through the appeals process but at this point there are no cases that look to be making their way to the SCOTUS and Alito basically just reinforced a process that was already happening and didnt agree with stopping the count in PA.  I looked into this Dominion issue and it appears to have been a combination of a reporting and clerical error. Definitely worth investigating what happened but nobody had their vote "changed" and Biden is leading Michigan by 140k votes not even in the realm of this having an effect

6k votes were changed in one county alone. So worst case scenario is 5k of ballots in each of those 40 counties. That is over 200k of ballots that could be changed in those counties.

Edited November 7, 2020 by Cyberfx1024

[Steeleballz 7,550]

10 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Dude, there is more than enough doubt all around. There was just a simple "glitch" in Michigan that resulted in the change of thousands of ballots in one county alone. Now they have to recount almost half the state. This is definitely going in front of SCOTUS. 

 

  The problem is tweets and innuendo don't really work in court. We have already seen that the judges are losing patience with all of this. They need to come up with something tangible and they need to do it quick. They are actually wasting time with their tactics right now.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  The problem is tweets and innuendo don't really work in court. We have already seen that the judges are losing patience with all of this. They need to come up with something tangible and they need to do it quick. They are actually wasting time with their tactics right now.

This isn't a tweet but a actual news article. 
 

 

[designguy 1,179]

Just now, Cyberfx1024 said:

6k votes were changed in one county alone. So worst case scenario is 5k of ballots in those 40 counties. That is over 200k of ballots that could be changed in those counties.

The votes werent "changed" they were misreported. No ones vote was changed. 

 

 

 

https://www.fox17online.com/news/election-2020/michigan-secretary-of-state-says-claims-from-rnc-chairwoman-have-no-merit

 

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• In order to report unofficial results, county clerks use election management system software to combine the electronic totals from tabulators and submit a report of unofficial results. Because the clerk did not update software, even though the tabulators counted all the ballots correctly, those accurate results were not combined properly when the clerk reported unofficial results.
• The correct results always were and continue to be reflected on the tabulator totals tape and on the ballots themselves. Even if the error in the reported unofficial results had not been quickly noticed, it would have been identified during the county canvass. Boards of County Canvassers, which are composed of 2 Democrats and 2 Republicans, review the printed totals tape from each tabulator during the canvass to verify the reported vote totals are correct.
• The software did not cause a misallocation of votes; it was a result of user human error. Even when human error occurs, it is caught during county canvasses.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

17 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

They need to save their money for 2022

 

   That is a risky strategy. Midterms do favor the opposition, so there is something to going all out in 2022, but there are a lot of seats up for grabs, and as we just saw, you can't really take any of them (flipping) for granted.